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Why senior developers fail to communicate their expertise

633 pointsby nilirlyesterday at 3:08 PM280 commentsview on HN

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augment_meyesterday at 7:12 PM

I think that if this becomes an actual problem, there will be such a massive incentive to add AI to the scale/compression/risk avoidance side that there will be automated tools specialized in that kind of work.

I feel like this is shooting from the hip from a single point of view from some semi-large corpo.

wills_forwardtoday at 5:30 AM

There's a lot of opportunity in being the manager who can still see it

wagwangyesterday at 10:13 PM

Depends on the product, but in many cases you cant actually decouple the complexity because the complexity is the product. There are times where the archaic flow needs to work for some stupid compliance reason.

tracker1yesterday at 8:39 PM

I do a bit of both... I pay attention to new tools, libraries and languages. But will rarely recommend them initially. That said, I also tend to fight complexity to an extreme degree KISS/YAGNI are my top enterprise development keystones.

____tom____yesterday at 6:05 PM

I feel this is about as accurate and relevant as if I were to write an article on senior copywriters.

orishoyesterday at 10:40 PM

Shouldn't a senior developer strive to eliminate complexity while increasing velocity? The two do not contradict. Reducing complexity can increase velocity.

piterrroyesterday at 9:41 PM

this almost reads as a rephrased version of: https://grugbrain.dev/

roughlyyesterday at 6:20 PM

This is well-put, but the problem comes when you’ve got leadership looking at what appears to be a fully-functioning version of the product that the market is clearly indicating to them is sufficient to drive revenue. Budgeting the 6 weeks or whatever to translate from “the working version” to “the trustworthy version” is a hard pitch.

This is why part of a senior developer’s job is designing and developing the fast version in a way that, if it goes into production, won’t burn the building down. This is the subtle art of development: recognizing where the line is for “good enough” to ship fast without jeopardizing the long-term health of the company. This is also the part that AI is absolutely atrocious at - vibe code is fast, that’s the pitch, but it’s also basically disposable (or it’s not fast - I see all you “exhaustive spec/comprehensive tests/continuous iteration” types, and I see your timelines, too). If you can convince the org that’s the tradeoff, great, but I had a hell of a time doing it back when code was moving at human speed, and now you just strapped rockets onto the shitty part of the system and are trying to convince leadership that rocket-speed is too fast.

wewewedxfgdfyesterday at 9:24 PM

>> “AI agents are the future of software development. We won’t need developers anymore to slow down the progress of a business.”

No-one says this.

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aleccoyesterday at 8:35 PM

This is engagement bait. I almost fell for it.

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xyzelementyesterday at 9:24 PM

Just wanted to say this writeup made tangible a real thing - a truly clarifying way to think about it.

someone654yesterday at 7:13 PM

> Your thoughts, senior software developer?

The senior should also start using AI to increase the amount of work done to stabilise the system, in a careful manner. More benchmarks, better testing, better safety net when delivering software, automated security reviews, better instrumentation, and so on.

> And this is how AI affects the two loops

There should be another image illustrating that the amount of mitigations done from senior side, red-/blue-team style.

davebrentoday at 4:09 AM

The loop on getting slop out to market quick in order to get feedback is already flawed. If you don't understand the problems of your customers well enough to come up with a coherent vision for how to solve them you shouldn't be the one doing the product design or making high level business decisions in the first place.

There's a place for prototyping and experimental features but now agile has cultivated extreme learned helplessness and everything is an A/B test because there's no longer any ability to judge whether something is good or bad based on a holistic vision.

dragochattoday at 9:10 AM

> I don’t like this kind of senior developer [...] not my wavelength.

Bro & I would not get along well =)))) But the article IS good stuff.

pannyyesterday at 8:04 PM

I can/have done this without AI and it tends to be disasterous. Management declares we need X fast. Okay, we can build that really fast, but it won't scale. Management says fine, just build it. We do. Management now wants to build Y fast. But wait, what about X? Nevermind, just build Y now. Okay, we're building Y, and X collapses... because it wasn't built to scale. Now we're being called in at 2 am to fix X while also expected to ship Y tomorrow. Sure, they'll glow you up and tell everyone what a hero you were for coming to the rescue at 2 am, but on that six month performance review, the blowup is used as reason to withhold raises and promotions. They don't lose any sleep of course, just you, the developer.

einpoklumyesterday at 7:43 PM

Irrespective of the linked post, let me say why I (being sort-of-a senior developer) fail to communicate my expertise. In no particular order:

1. I am discouraged or forbidden from devoting time to communicating my expertise; they would rather use it. Well, often, they'd rather I did the grunt work to facilitate the use of my expertise.

2. Same, but devoting time to preparing materials which communicate my expertise.

3. A lot of my expertise is a bunch of hunches and intuitions, a "sense of smell" for things. And that's difficult to communicate.

4. My junior colleagues don't get time off their other duties to listen to "expertise sharing", when it does not immediately promote the project they're working on.

5. Many of my junior colleagues lack enough fundamentals (IMNSHO) for me to share all sorts of expertise with them. That is, to share B with them I would need to first teach them A, and knowing A is not much of an expertise; but they're inexperienced, maybe fresh out of university.

6. My expertise may only be partially or very-partially relevant to many of my colleagues; but I can't just divide the expertise up.

7. For good reasons or bad, I have trouble separating my expertise from various ethical/world-view principles, which fundamentally disagree with the way things are done where I'm at. So, such sharing is to some extent a subversive diatribe against the status quo.

8. My expertise on some matters is very partial - and what I know just underlines for me how much I _don't_ know. So, I am apprehensive to talk about what I feel I actually don't know enough about - which may just result in my appearing presumptuous and not knowledgeable enough.

9. My expertise on some matters is very partial - and what I know just underlines for me how much I _don't_ know. So, I try to polish and complete my expertise before sharing it - and that's a path you can walk endlessly, never reaching a point where you feel ready to share.

10. Tried sharing some expertise in the past, few people attended the session, I got demotivated.

11. Tried sharing some expertise in the past, few people were engaged enough to follow what I was saying, I got demotivated.

12. Shared some expertise in the past, got a positive feedback, but then those people who seemed to appreciate what I said did not implement/apply any of it, even though they could have and really should have.

casey2today at 8:07 AM

If you're a senior Go player and you think robots can play I'm suspicious of your expertise.

Literally what people thought after Fan Hui (2-dan) was beaten. For humans software requires ingenuity and creativity. Computers can cheat that, infact computers ALWAYS cheat that to beat humans. NTP as a method of cheating is slightly more general than say board evaluation, so it's less efficient for the same problem, but scaling laws show that with enough compute NTP can beat humans at chess (or any most other arbitrary games, in real time).

npodbielskitoday at 7:56 AM

The second part of the system that author proposes, will not work for most of the medium and small companies. From what I saw people that ran those companies, the owners for example were looking at those devs like, hacks that try to extort them for money. They were angrily grinding their teeth but put up with that because they need them to do their software to actually make money.

Now, with so-called AI they will mostly slap something kinda working in few days and then maybe get hacked or double invoice some customer from time to time... They will learn of those problems the hard way. Or maybe they will not because it will be mostly working emailing system and nobody will care if it will loose 2% of the emails because of some bug.

Nevertheless, either the Stable version, Scale version of the software will never happen or will be looked like not necessary or it will became a thing after catastrophic failure.

Anyway I do not think it will be like that, everybody cares about speed and money and making money quickly without an effort is the ultimate unicorn entire world is after.

Those complaining developers just stand in a way.

aa-jvtoday at 7:48 AM

Here's a mental exercise - do you immediately think you know what this command does?

    PING
Junior developer: PING is used to check if a host is reachable by a network

Middle developer: PING constructs and sends ICMP packets to an address

Senior developer: what machine, what OS?

Junior manager: Don't care, ask a techie if you need to do something technical

Middle manager: Ask <techies name> about it, I know he has great experience with it

Senior manager: PING is used to check if a host is reachable by a network

Senior developers fail to communicate their expertise, because that expertise is developed and formed by asking more questions than answers, and managers fail to understand the capabilities of "their techies", because managers see question-asking techies as counter-productive, and attempt to route around them. Managers only want answers, developers know the value of asking deep questions.

Thus, AI.

(BTW, PING is a command that produces a distinct sound on the Oric-1/Atmos computers, and it is thus an Onomatopoeia.. I know this, because I am a Senior Oric-1/Atmos Developer who knows what lies at #FA9F, how it works, what the 14 bytes are for, and so on.. because I once asked the question, "how does PING go 'poooinnng' but ZAP go 'zap'?")

AI: <asks billions of questions in a second>PING is ..

psychoslavetoday at 4:55 AM

Interestingly the article put complexity management vs uncertainty reduction.

But reduction is narrower than management which is narrower than organization.

Also uncertainty is part of complexity. Being able to isolate what is deemed predictable under clearly identified premises is the best that can hoped on that matter. It means that then one strategy can be applied to protect the stable core, and other strategy can be tried on what is unknown (known and unknown unknowns).

greenchairyesterday at 8:30 PM

Wow I'm only done with part one and the author pegged me to a t.

dyauspitryesterday at 8:00 PM

Probably because unlike apprenticeships a senior developer isn’t an owner. This creates a situation where imparting knowledge means you have less time to do your own packed work stack.

lenerdenatortoday at 12:44 AM

I'm a "senior" developer.

Want me to communicate my expertise? Give me some time to actually do it.

aussieguy1234today at 12:02 AM

As a senior developer, I achieved last night what I thought was impossible with all the anti-bot (including bot detection) tech that gatekeeps much of the internet.

An AI agent using a web browser like a human. I used various stealth technologies to achieve this. I set it off on a research task for me and it saved me $30 of a purchase by finding the best price. Its Jeff Bezos worst nightmare, visting amazon.com and ignoring all the product placement ads.

It had multiple tabs open, did searches in multiple places, opening products and checking sites....it looked just like a human would do doing the same task.

This I can assure you would not have been possible without my expertise. I had to be very careful to remove all bot signals from the browser, including going to browserscan.net to check. Once done, most captchas were never shown to the agent. There is a NodeJS codebase involved that I wrote by hand.

I searched through the code of the browser automation framework I was using, looking for ways to make it look more human. I had AI help with this part, but had to confirm everything and pull the agent up when it suggested bad ideas.

Most of the work was architectural, including making sure my browser was easy for the agent to use.

I'm going to add 2captcha as a next step, to solve the few captchas that it still encounters (as I still do sometimes as a human).

I'm thinking of open sourcing it, but i'm not sure if its a good idea as if it became widespread, it might encourage the adoption of even more invasive anti-bot measures.

hmokiguessyesterday at 10:32 PM

apex predator of grug is complexity

complexity bad

say again:

complexity very bad

you say now:

complexity very, very bad

nyeahyesterday at 7:00 PM

This is copy. I'm only interested in content.

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a_cyesterday at 7:58 PM

You can't force people to feel what you feel. One can (pr|t)each, without experiencing, other can only mimic or rebel. That's how cult is formed.

dcchambersyesterday at 6:50 PM

In 2026 the answer is "job security"

rvzyesterday at 6:44 PM

The unspoken observation on the reason why this happens is it almost always political in the organization to make themselves more valuable and harder to fire / layoff.

That includes gate-keeping behaviour such as not handing off knowledge, sham performance reviews to prevent ambitious juniors from over-taking them (even with AI) and being over-critical to others but absent and contrarian when the same is done to them.

That leverage does not work anymore in the age of AI as having "expensive" seniors begging for a pay-rise can cost the company an extra amount of $$$. So it is temping to lay them off for another one that is a yes person that will accept less.

In the age of AI, I would now expect such experience to include both building and working at a startup instead of being difficult to work with for the sake of a performance review.

iJohnDoeyesterday at 5:28 PM

FTA: “AI agents are the future of software development. We won’t need developers anymore to slow down the progress of a business.”

Almost all business presidents, CEOs, and owners are thinking this. I guarantee you they are sick and tired of developers taking forever on every project. Now they can create the apps themselves.

My comment isn't meant to debate every nitty-gritty detail about code quality, security, stability, thinking of every aspect of how the code works, does it scale, etc. All of those things are extremely important. However, most leadership never cared about any of that anyways. They only heard those as excuses why developers took so long. Over the last decade they put up with it begrudgingly.

You know all the developers that wanted to complain about IT, cybersecurity, DevOPs, cloud architects for getting in their way and if they only had administrator access then they could get everything done themselves because they are experts in networking and everything else? Well, those developers are about to have the worst day ever when every single person on the planet can generate code and will be "experts" in everything as well.

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mschuster91yesterday at 5:39 PM

> Ah, well, it can’t yet do the one thing senior developers still do. Take responsibility.

If only higher-ups would recognize that. Instead we see left and right mass layoffs, restructurings and clueless higher-ups who clearly drank not just a bottle of koolaid but a barrel.

> The ‘Speed’ version allows the rest of the business to continue learning from the market, as the senior developers build a trailing version of the system that’s well-reviewed and understandable.

Yeah... that doesn't fly. The beancounters don't care. The "speed" version works, so why even invest a single cent into the "scale" version? That's all potential profit that can be distributed to shareholders. And when it (inevitably) all crashes down, the higher ups all have long since cashed out, leaving the remaining shareholders as bagholders, the employees without employment and society to pick up the tab. Yet again.

austin-cheneyyesterday at 9:19 PM

Its all relative. There is no baseline for expertise in software. So, instead its whatever self-serving quality some sociopath on the other end favors.

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JohnMakinyesterday at 5:12 PM

I don't necessarily disagree with this conclusion, but the way it is written has a lot of AI prose smell that was extremely distracting for me.

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