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Glawenyesterday at 3:35 PM1 replyview on HN

In EU, I don't think an underclass is what is wished. What we lack is being able to chose who is allowed to stay or not. Currently it's whoever manages to come illegaly is allowed to stay. It's madness


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bulbartoday at 5:59 AM

And then, people who come to work and use the official processes for legal migration suffer from complicated and insane rules and huge inefficiency. I have seen it with people I know, it's unfathomable.

Administration trying to force somebody out of the country to apply for a work visa just after they finished their 3 year training ("Ausbildung") on a training visa.

Before, the mother was not allowed to bring her child (10 years old) even though legally she had the right to do so. Fighting for a year, then paying a lawyer to solve the problem within a few weeks.

All while we are in desperate need of those people. In healthcare and other security as well.

It's madness as well and unfortunately people fail to realize both sides of the story, only seeing one of them.

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