These hypotheticals tend to accidentally reveal a disturbing worldview in the way they treat immigration as a natural phenomenon rather than people with agency of their own. It's dehumanizing.

For example, where does that 99,999,999th person sleep on the night they arrive in this country? What is their immediate plan? How and why did they come here? Your hypothetical has them almost emerging from the ether as an inherent problem rather than a person making an active decision to move to somewhere they think they will have a better life. If we stop providing them a better life, they'll stop coming. But the primary path to doing that is making life worse for everyone already here and none of us should want that.

You lost me in the first sentence, with the premise that immigrants are “overburdening” our social services. Most immigrants work. Most immigrants come here specifically to work. They pay taxes. Immigrants who commit social security fraud have taxes deducted from their income that they will never collect in the form of social services. Most of the immigrants receiving public assistance (like, for example, asylum seekers) are doing so because our government doesn’t allow them to work, even if they want to. The solution is to let immigrants work.

Let's say the government can't care for 100M people because of lack of doctors. Now they could train one over 10 years, or you could have one of the smartest doctors in the world come be 100M+1. Would you take that?

Now expand that across socio-economic spectrum (not enough plumbers, teachers, AI experts, researchers etc). That is what legal immigration is meant for.

That’s like saying the free pizza parties are draining the company’s resources and so we need to cut them.

The pizza parties ARE indeed draining the company, but it’s so minor and ultimately spending your big brain on cutting pizza parties is diverting attention from your real problems that led to this point.

I don’t support illegal immigration but it has little to do with our current major problems. It’s just a political tool to distract the voter.

One reason is population growth. Our current system is based on the assumption of an ever growing labor force to fund things like social security, medicare, fund our massive debt, and evrything else we want the government to spend on. In their current form, these systems will break down in the face of population decline. Since existing Americans are having fewer kids and trending downward, immigration is the only way to sustain the model.

This doesn't neccisarily.mean the is the best, or even desireable, way to structure society, but I also think the political system is dysfunctional to the point major change is currently impossible

I didnt down vote you by the way. Just throwing out a counter point to consider

Immigration is a net positive for social services, housing, childcare, healthcare, etc. over the long term. This country was built by immigrants.

There can be negative effects with large inflows locally, but that's a policy failure that can be addressed.

I have a habit of upvoting attempts at civilized argument, so I upvote once again.

For the "people who understand supply/demand", why use "want a limit" language? What you actually mean is "want a lower limit, from Y to X".

It's flat-out amazing to me that you blame immigrants for the problems of the American medical system -- which are entirely political in cause and financial in nature.

>Clearly not for curious discourse.

This isn't "curious discourse", whatyou're doing is JAQing off (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions)

immigrants don't need to be 'taken care off' because legal immigrants in the US are net social contributors (in fact particularly large ones because the US government didn't subsidize their upbringing and education).

Five minutes on Google would have told you this, that is why "folks I'm just asking questions" gets downvoted, everyone can see through these pseudo gullible provocations

You can't complain immigrants are flooding your boarder while your government is actively working on destabilizing the world. Such arguments are extremely malicious and hence why everyone is downvoting you.

You want a hermitical state, it has to go both ways. You lock yourself in, but also stop fucking around with military and non-military interventions on every contanent on earth.

>it was already downvote bombed in less than 10 minutes with no counter argument

Your submissions to HN evince a pattern that suggests engagement with you would likely fall on deaf ears.

The only people over burdening the system are billionaires demanding corporate welfare while denying the same welfare to civilians.

You fell for a scapegoat completely uncritically, it’s embarrassing. The state sabotages its own safety net and gives tax cuts to the rich, and you go along as they blame immigrants. Pathetic. All of your submissions are xenophobic trash. Find Jesus or anything else, I’m sure your family sick of these rants too.