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Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

768 pointsby ls612yesterday at 4:57 PM572 commentsview on HN

https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/amazon-ceos-talks-with-u-s-offic...


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cratermoontoday at 12:40 AM

With this administration I always read "talks with u.s. officials" as some kind of bribe or cushy deal happening.

wslhyesterday at 10:39 PM

All these kind of interventions create a lot of incentives for other companies around the world.

basiswordyesterday at 10:36 PM

If we do start seeing these models get kept behind closed doors how long until someone leaks one? Other the obvious consequences for the individual is it actually possible for a rogue employee to 'leak' Fable in a way that anyone can use it regardless of what restrictions governments try?

zuzululuyesterday at 10:33 PM

Snitch Bezos playing 4d chess? Since anthropic is using AWS. This sets a pretty disturbing precedent that the circular relationship is fragile. Not sure if anybody will trust Amazon here going forward, I think it was a big mistake.

shevy-javayesterday at 9:27 PM

Skynet fights down other Skynet.

I like it.

The USA is like the Wild Wild West. No wonder Al Capone could prosper.

youknownothingtoday at 2:50 AM

Am I the only one who thinks this is just another carefully orchestrated publicity stunt? like all the noise they made about Mythos that turned out to be a big nothingburger?

The AI bubble is beginning to show signs of being about to burst (or at least deflate), so they need new sources of hype. Nothing calls for interest as the threat of a ban.

LeFantometoday at 3:40 AM

Is GLM-5.2 really so far behind? How far behind? So dumb.

nullbiotoday at 12:55 AM

Can we stop pretending that Mythos is a good model yet?

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solenoid0937yesterday at 5:53 PM

Amazon owns 5% of Anthropic. I doubt this is the outcome they wanted.

This is the government trying to swing its dick around and kill Anthropic because they wouldn't allow mass domestic surveillance with their models.

They're sending a message to the tech industry as well: "do as we say, or die."

This is the result of decades of Congress abdicating power to the executive.

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mykotoday at 3:42 AM

What a clownshow, what a fucking circus

blitzaryesterday at 5:48 PM

> Researchers at Amazon had used a series of prompts to get Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to provide them with information that could be used to aid cyberattacks...

Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next?

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veni0yesterday at 11:38 PM

lol, what's jokes.

serguzestyesterday at 8:27 PM

I don’t buy any of this. They released something extremely resource-hungry, slow, and token-intensive. In layman’s terms, it feels more like overclocking than a real improvement over Opus.

I suspect it was not sustainable to run it for millions of users without a huge price adjustment. So, before the IPO, they may have wanted to preview something “cool” and then stage some kind of legal force majeure.

Also, considering how corrupt the current U.S. government appears to be, it is not impossible that one of Trump’s sons has a partnership with Anthropic, or that some kind of backdoor deal is going on. In that case, this could have been done in cooperation with a corrupt government

whalesaladyesterday at 11:40 PM

This is such an insidey job corrupt Trump admin situation.

As an Anthropic partner and a massive web infra provider themselves, the reasonable move here would have been to go directly to Anthropic to report this jailbreak. The same way any other sort of software security vulnerability is reported and dealt with. "Hey buddy, uhh, we need to show you something" and they fix it, and you continue to work together and collaborate and get a fat check in the meantime.

MAGA is mad that Anthropic won't kiss the ring and they're either helping AMZN with this request because it is convenient for both of them.

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mrcwinnyesterday at 6:20 PM

If this is true, the Trump administration did the correct and responsible thing. All the immediate pouncing last night is a good reminder to wait a moment for the facts. I’m sure there’s more to learn even still.

jmclnxyesterday at 5:27 PM

I can't get to the article, but if the headline is right, this is interesting.

This tells me it looks like the start of AI funding drying up. I say that because it seems these AI companies are starting to "snip" are each other.

recroadyesterday at 8:54 PM

Snitches be bitches

PeterStueryesterday at 5:49 PM

Waving goodby to my Prime. Long overdue tbh.

tdb7893yesterday at 5:54 PM

I haven't bothered to keep up with all the frontier drama, are the latest Anthropic models more dangerous or easier to get around safeguards than other models?

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adamtaylor_13yesterday at 6:41 PM

This smells like anti-competitive behavior, no? Amazon snitching to the government re: Anthropic doesn't seem particularly "open market" to me.

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Lercyesterday at 5:25 PM

One of the things that I have come to trust the least in journalism is any WSJ story that says "people familiar with the matter said"

Can anyone find another source for this?

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bigcloud1299today at 3:36 AM

I am a die hard fan of GPT and codex, I have been working on a very complex system, it was taking codex/gpt5.5 xhigh weeks to actually properly get it working, it kept making massive mistakes, it never followed the architecture and desing, it designed thin layers, inline LLM prompts even though our docs explicitly told it to externalize it, it hardcoded formulas in line in ts files instead of yaml files, did not wire various components, and so on.

i generally dont use claude due to very bad early on experience with it (it did the famous rm rf ). I gave Fable a try on isolated worktree, and in 4 days it completed work that i was assuming would take me until mid july with codex/gpt5.5 xhigh + fast.

I wish / and hope Fable comes back, i wish i had it for two more weeks. its just on another level