alt Hacker NewsAnthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
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Heres my guesstimate on the future:
Companies like Anthopic will be using the same model as anyone else. They just bring value in having a fast datacenter and agent.
Its stupid to even think that a general model lile opus would be the real value.
Models age fast, new ones come along, and the end user wont care "whos model it is" just that it is fast and sharp.
Seeking a monopoly on its business. And it's not just the Chinese, its their US competitors as well.
Sorry, Anthropic, but AGI must belong to all of humanity, not just to you.
Model makers need to get off their high-horse, and face the reality that they are selling a commodity.
We have Claude at home!
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I wonder if some clever comedian here will make the very original joke that Anthropic is "getting a taste of their own medicine".
"The distinction between downloading pirated copies vs. scanning physical books is fascinating — same data, different legal outcome. Copyright law really wasn't built for this era."
Illegal or just against their ToS?
I like some of the Alibaba products, wtf do they know about AI models???
What I get from this is frontier model capabilities are being stagnant.
Oh no, the thief is mad they get "stolen" from? I've had to hard block all of anthropic's scrapers because they seemingly ignore robots.txt and every other unwritten rule about 'polite' webscraping. They were so aggressive that they made up 90+% of our traffic + pulled the website down at times. And that's not even mentioning their other immoral practices + what they are claiming here is questionable at best. Anthropic is _not_ the good guys, they do not get to be upset over this or claim any sort of moral superiority over 'China'.
Can't wait for the new Chinese models.
I like some of the Alibaba products, wtf they know about AI models???
More distillation please. This is only good for me.
I'm sorry, but I can't stop laughing at an AI company crying about theft of their IP.
The outputs belong to whoever purchased them. What are they complaining about?
Thieves stealing from each other? No way. Guess on what anthropic trained their data.
A company which got rich on extracting the world's content is complaining that another company has extracted their work?!
LOL!
Get a grip, son.
Anthropic also trained on all human knowledge, so I'm okay with others distilling their models.
I would say Antrophic and others illicitly extracted free internet content and put it behind a paywall, giving zero compensation to those that made their whole business possible in the first place. So smallest violin player busy here trying to make me care if it happens to them.
So NOW the hypocrites are demanding permission to train a model on THEIR data.
fucking lol. it is always funny when companies use opensource and other free for non commercial use - and plain old piracy - and then cry about the same practices.
Oh no, someone is profiting of the work of others?!
anyways...
Karma truly is a bitch
Nevermind government edicts & bans -- this seems like reason enough for them to require Know Their Customers, require ID, and shut of certain nations.
Failing to have done so seems to have allowed 25000 fake Chinese accounts to walk off with their product...
OFC I wouldn't trust the Chinese enough to ack their models the time of day, but Anthropic seems to have allowed far more ... yikes
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Anthropic keeps throwing stones every few weeks.
Similar to improving an independent search engine by scraping Google search results and learning from it. Shady but legit
"They stole our stolen data!"
Booohooo the people who stole everything they have want to cry about having what they produced stolen???
> Meanwhile, on June 12, two days after Anthropic sent the letter, the Commerce Department imposed controversial restrictions on Anthropic's latest Mythos and Fable AI models because officials feared they could be deployed by military intelligence users in China and other countries of concern.
So that was the real reason for the Fable restriction? Because Anthropic wrote a letter to the US government saying that China was distilling Fable?
Another day, another excuse as to why Fable 5 was pulled. Just waiting for Anthropic saying the Persona partnership was the fault of the Chinese.
I am sorry, but companies doing biggest IP theft in history have no moral right to complain here.
Good. I'm glad. Keep it up, China. Loving my cheap GLM and DeepSeek.
In an other news, a terrorist organization practicing torture at daily level just released a public denunciation of the evil forces they are fighting against, guided by their holy mission of making progress in social morality for all of us.
eh.. Anthropic wants open-weight models gone.
willy wonka oh-go-on-dot-gif
Gosh, overusing accounts running up unplanned-for expenses?
Kinda reminds me of...overusage charges and inflated expenses clients have had to deal with because Anthropic, OpenAI, Grok, etc have been "illicitly extracting" everything they can grab from said websites, as fast as they can. In what amounts to a DDOS, frankly.
Sounds like fair game considering Claude is built upon the theft of creative assets of the entire world and aims to eliminate white collar jobs entirely
laughs in ironic
"Hypocrisy, thy name is you"
The Pot calling the Kettle black
lol. good for the chinese. I hope their models get better than the closed american ones quick so we can stop using "controlled" models.
The pot calling the kettle black.
It's a bit disappointing when people see this as a schadenfreude moment because it's clearly not safe nor a good precedent for potentially dangerous AI models to trivially fall into the hands of malicious actors.
How dare they! Only we should be illicitely extracting everything others done!
/Anthropic-probably
so what? anthropic stole this functionality from everyone else
we now know what to use when Fable is too dangerous !
the biggest irony of 21st