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Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities

749 pointsby htrplast Wednesday at 7:48 PM1204 commentsview on HN

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JasonHEINyesterday at 3:09 AM

we now know what to use when Fable is too dangerous !

unnouinceputyesterday at 7:05 AM

Oh, c'mon. If Alibaba wanted, it can have the entire Claude/Mythos source code and data by next week. All you need is enough bribe to a developer that has access to the repository. Humans are always the weakest link in anything.

johnwheeleryesterday at 3:58 AM

Well, of course they did. Are you kidding?

PunchyHamsteryesterday at 8:00 AM

Being absolute ass to entire internet as you scour everything with no regard to common protocols - fine

Getting treated exactly same by competition - "we need rapid, coordinated action among industry players, policymakers and the global AI community."

Absolute scum. And the gall of going "oh buh it can be used for military, quick govt do something".

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Freedumbsyesterday at 11:35 AM

This article is absurd for an outlet who published an article that's meant to be news not editorial. Reuters was once a news wire and is still considered that. The first two paragraphs refer to "attack" and "strike" against Anthropic. This is sensational nonsense, not news. There was no strike, or attack. Block the accounts. Why is this news, and why are they pandering to the people who just banned the new model they burned at least $10 billion training? The closer you look at this AI stuff the more absurd it is. I assume the strat is to keep the bubble floating until post-2028, then drop the bomb on the Dem who wins. Just like with the covid inflation + economic rigging Trump did in 2016-2020.

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scotty79yesterday at 7:56 AM

Nobody cares. Grow up.

emsignyesterday at 8:42 AM

And that's coming from the intellectual property thieves. Laughable. Let the Chinese steal the models, they will only make it cheaper for everyone.

rochakyesterday at 9:32 AM

Ok boomer

soundworldsyesterday at 6:03 AM

How the hell does Anthropic continue to make such hypocritical complaints without deeply cringing?

It's becoming embarrassing to watch

nullcyesterday at 10:21 AM

Anthropic extracted millions of words of my own writing even more illicitly for they did not do so through an API provided for that purpose while paying me in the process.

phplovesongyesterday at 11:20 AM

Why are they mad about this? Its not like they did not commit the biggest IP theft in modern history when training their models?

rsynnottyesterday at 7:17 AM

Oh, _now_ we care about IP, do we?

delta_p_delta_xyesterday at 10:17 AM

Cue Jeremy Clarkson's 'Oh no! Anyway...' GIF.

PostOnceyesterday at 9:00 AM

Suppose Anthropic trained only on data they paid to create, and not the internet or stolen textbooks.

It would still be extremely difficult to muster any sympathy for an organization whose MO is to go public not to honestly raise capital to fund growth and development, but rather to dishonestly leave someone else holding the bag, in some cases involuntarily as their retirement funds are passively invested.

And even supposing they were honest and didn't have an IPO, it would still be extraordinarily difficult to care about their misfortune, because "consolidating all thought-work into the hands of those few who can afford frontier models and datacenters and power plants" is also a special kind of misanthropy.

And even if that were not the case, they're filthy rich already, so who gives a shit if the Chinese companies prevent them from becoming quadrillionaires? :)

irthomasthomasyesterday at 9:58 AM

Ask claude it's name in chinese and it thinks its Qwen (opus) or Deepseek (sonnet). Anthropic are just as guilty as everyone else training AI, today, maybe more so. Every lab borrows from every other. It only takes a few hundred samples to figure out the pattern; look at glm-5.2 reasoning using the caveman tongue of gpt-5.5. Stopping this would require some draconian surveillance.