GPT-6 Sol and Luna

It looks like the optimal pattern is to have Astra as the orchestrator and Sol as the implementer. Same as with Fable and Opus.

Pricing is insane, can have Luna going after a goal for 10 days and not run into maxing out the limits.

I cannot wait to be past this “here’s a matrix with 40 model options” phase of AI. No “normal” users can tell which choice is optimal for which task.

AI needs to get rid of model versioning and model effort combinations. It's like selling an automatic transmission but still asking you to choose the gear, then after the trip telling you how much fuel you burned.

There's no way this wasn't meant to coincide with Anthropic's release today.

Just what I was hoping for, very nice. Luna seems like a real replacement for DeepSeek on pricing. Haven't seen a comparison benchmark yet.

Not much about token efficiency ("a bit shorter") or token/s.

What a day! I couldn't really use the last Luna for much (wasn't smart enough) or Astra (too expensive). So this release is really exciting. I can probably use Sol 6 as much as I want in the week, which as great.

If I'm understanding correctly now when you want to use Codex to do a given task you need to decide between:

    GPT-6   Astra (low medium high xhigh max ultra)
    GPT-6   Sol   (low medium high xhigh max ultra)
    GPT-6   Luna  (low medium high xhigh max ultra)

    GPT-5.6 Sol   (low medium high xhigh max ultra)
    GPT-5.6 Luna  (low medium high xhigh max ultra)
    GPT-5.6 Terra (low medium high xhigh max ultra)
    
    GPT-5.5       (low medium high xhigh max ultra)

Not exactly a low-friction user experience!

Like are you supposed to just somehow intuit, “ah yeah, this task is definitely a GPT-6 Sol Medium task,” or something?

Is this just second nature for OpenAI employees? How are end users supposed to know how to optimally choose a model for a given task? Am I missing something completely here?

Too bad I squandered all my weekly usage on astra medium in one relatively mild day.

Bummer there is no Terra. I found Terra to be the sweet spit in price / performance.

So opus 5.5 has reduced price. Who is winning then?

so opus 5.5 is smarter and cheaper than fable, and sol 6 is a little dumber and WAY cheaper than astra? is that right?

Code deception 10% at 5.6 to 1.3% for 6.0? So models are getting more safe rather than less safe? hmmm

Very nice in cost/1mtok. Looks like more work is being done for efficient everyday helper models as time goes on.

Something is off with the header animation... why are the stars moving?

this is epic given my monthly token cost is going to be down atleast 50% and I dont have to do anything except change it to gpt-6-luna.

Third-party inference providers will have a hard time to beat Luna in pricing with comparable open models.

I need gpt luna 6 intelligence at gpt4o mini speeds. Wen?

Looking at their own charts it seems like it's only small incremental improvement over 5.6 Sol, but with a massive cost reduction. And the better writing/communication style that Astra had.

Which... fine, I'll take that.

Why is Claude missing on the "Factuality" graph?

Would be funny if Google drops Gemini 4 today.

Am I the only one that doesn't really feel a difference in performance from model to model?

From around GPT 4 results got "Good enough"...I generally try to explain what problem I'm trying to solve, set limitations and boundaries, tell it to ask me questions, have it write up a plan with steps then we take one step at a time.

These new models are starting to feel like iPhone releases where the improvements / feature set feels incremental.

Same on the Claude side which I use for work

/r/codex is in shambles

I wouldn't be curious to sign up to codex whatsoever these days

These token reset shenanigans are insane

RIP Terra

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Roflmao!!!

OpenAI is promising "the Sun, the Moon, and the Stars". The spirit of P.T. Barnum is doubtless looking on with jaw dropped at what is beyond doubt one of the greatest demonstrations of chutzpah, by some of the greatest hucksters, in the history of the human race.

Luna is the goat for real, cost intelligence ratio is insane already and it is enough for most daily computer use.

GPT-6 has been fantastic to use. I see Opus 5.5 today but honestly it's been such a rough year with Anthropic, and OpenAI's models are so far ahead, it's tough to consider moving back. I also think OpenAI's desktop app is significantly more polished than Claude CoWork.

Am I the only one who feels icky about how these 2 companies always try to one-up each other on release day? It’s fair and all but just feels gross.

I'm looking forward to the day where pelicans aren't the first thing in discussion threads about model releases... no offense(!)

so... is this AGI, for real now? or it's coming in the next 6 to 12 months?

The new default is 6.0 Sol high. Escalate to Astra-medium. If usage is tight go luna6.0-max

Selling dollar bills for $0.40 to undercut the guys selling them for $0.50 is a bold move. Let's see if it pays off for them.

so... is this AGI, for real this time?

sage

Well at least it looks like OpenAI is dogfooding because their announcements, product names, and everything else looks and sounds like LLM-slop.

This is all just running in circles. The models are not obviously better. The pricing fluctuates or offset by some other less-obvious metrics (availability/speed/tokens per task/dumbing down). Everyone reports different outcomes in their usage because it's all so context and user dependent. Sometimes models do some things better but become so annoying and obtuse in their other doings that it's just not worth it (like Opus with the insane code comments and Astra with its over-the-top, everything-is-a-sales-pitch style). It feels like the AI gods just turn the knobs on things like compute to get the results they want to align with the IPO to make headlines.

As a user of 5.6-Terra, I am sick and tired of the inconsistencies in GPT model families. There is no 6-Terra.

As for any cost based argument, it is immediately invalid because the cost is something that OpenAI fully controls and manipulates.

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