Gemini 4 Argon

So here's a crazy conspiracy theory for you: Google is not letting outside people use their models because if they did they would have to scale up their TPU production faster than they can manage, and they would instead have to buy and use nvidia hardware which would destroy their profit margins and tank their stock.

Gemini runs fully on TPU's right? Is Google maxing out the production on those?

When Antigravity first came out, when I installed it, it made itself the default application to open all programming file types.... .txt. json, csv, you name it. It was absolutely infuriating and took me a month to put everything back to normal. So they've lost a lot of trust with me.

the thing is, by the time gemini 4 is available for regular folks, anthropic and openai will probably have much better models already rolled out

Wonder if it's benchmaxxed or not (guessing yes)

I wonder how it will be at solving open math problems.

If I can’t test it it ain’t real

Other than not being available publicly, I find it extremely disappointing about Google’s two-faced behavior. CEO signs an official document with POTUS stating that AI is now SI, but the release of the new model doesn’t mention SI even once. Even worse, it’s AI all over that page.

they really ought to add ACP support. until then, it's a no go. i'm not going to use their TUI or their VSCode fork

They counted Gemini out. Then came the awkward moment when the leaderboard updated.

bunch of handpicked benchmarks

No mention of knowledge cutoff.

All the new names

What keeps both Gemini and Grok from actually being frontier class AIs is effort. Both AIs rush to give you a response even when the effort is set to the highest setting. Hopefully, Argon isn’t as prone to satisficing and premature convergence compared to its predecessor

Will it make my Android assistant suck less?

Google assistant had problems, but it did not gaslight me about my contacts!

Putting an inert element in the name is a weird choice. Personally, I think "Gemini 4" is sufficient.

This is a prerelease and the title should have reflected that.

I've noticed all major providers having shockingly high token discounts on cached tokens. Thank you Deepseek is all I have to say. Forever grateful to that wonderful company, I wish them continued financial success.

On the off chance there are Google execs going through this thread:

Google, if you've actually managed to catch up again, please don't fuck this up (again).

You made Gemini 2.5 Pro so difficult to use that myself and everyone else I know (who even bothered to try) just gave up and used something else. If you make this hard to access, you're going to miss out on rich usage-based training data that you need to progress your capability frontier. Again.

Is there a way to use Gemini models without linking your usage to your personal Google account yet?

Gemini 3.1 pro was being really, really dumb for me and I thought to myself, is google about to release the next version? While it tried to do convoluted steps of copying an MCP tool output to a new file with a python script it generated, and tried to post-process it even though the MCP output is all what I needed, I opened HN and lo and behold, new Gemini version just dropped.

Wow

Bet it’s turbl

I don't have access; this is meaningless to me.

So, this is the third (I think) big AI corporation after OpenAI and Anthropic to release general models for elites only.

Don't use this model unless you like sitting under the table and eating crumbs off the floor.

Looks promising but I'll believe its "frontierness" when I see it.

Google attempting to put itself into the frontier conversation simply by saying so is actual lol-inducing. Gemini has been laughably bad for like 9 months now.

Google didn't release an impressive model since Flash 3. I tried Antigravity with the latest Gemini model for a week and it's the worse experience I had among more than 5 harnesses and models I tried (deeseek/pro, muse/spark-1.3, cc/opus, codex/sol, and Pi/sol). I haven't touched it since and canceled my pro subscription.

Then I tried Flash 3.8 for different tasks like OCR and others, and while in their benchmarks it crashes Flash 3, in my experiments I didn't notice much difference, often even Flash 3 performed better.

I hope Gemini 4 Argon is a real step up from that but we'll see once they release it. I'm rooting for Google and it's about time they deliver frontier intelligence, not just competitive prices.

Really cool and stuff. My question is: who comes up with these ridiculous names? Argon? What? Luna, Sol, what??

I'll consider it if they let me use a subscription with a custom harness, like Codex does. Until then, no thanks.

Wen gemini desktop coding app?

More Cartmanland marketing. It's the best park ever, and you can't come!

Get lost.

Aaand of course we can’t use it! GoOgLe iS bAcK iN tHe GaMe! There’s basically no way around it, all enterprises end up dysfunctionally shipping their org chart.

no Pareto frontier graph?

Looks like an impressive model

test

is it just me or antigravity IDE and Gemini weren't working around 5:30 AM EDT

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hi

weird, isnt it SI?

Can’t wait to get my hands on yet another model that’s only good coding, because clearly that’s what the world needs.

I still miss the days of Sonnet 4.5 and 4o, those models were actually good at creating stories and writing text that was actually readable by a human being.

Gemini past month or two i will paste in something i wrote and ask it to rewrite it but it will just go into more detail about the subject. Is it becoming a dumb Ai compared to GPT and now Muse?

Utterly inert? Suppose that reads safe...

"Hello Argon. Please fix the YouTube search. While you're at it, make Gmail load in a reasonable amount of time. Make no mistakes."

Just an idea.

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