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crazygringolast Saturday at 9:11 PM2 repliesview on HN

Do you have a citation for that?

In my personal experience, that does not seem true. I have a number of friends who have been seriously injured climbing, e.g. from large rocks falling from above, presumably loosened by water freezing and expanding over the winter.

I don't know anyone who's gotten into an accident on their trip to or from climbing. Car accidents are already pretty rare overall, and driving to/from climbing is a teensy fraction of your overall driving.

Mountains are inherently dangerous, unpredictable places in ways that roads usually aren't.


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brailsafelast Saturday at 11:21 PM

> Mountains are inherently dangerous, unpredictable places in ways that roads usually aren't.

Mountains are peaceful places without the majority of people around them required to keep perfectly attentive to their surroundings so they don't kill you. If you're in the mountains, your likelihood of experiencing dangerous situations depends on the environment, your skill and fitness, the weather, and maybe others on the mountain.

Roads are the most dangerous places most people will ever find themselves, much more often, regardless of whether they take on the responsibility of driving. If you're on the mountains, your death is caused by being severely ill-prepared or stupid, or significant misfortune just because. If you're around a road you're constantly surrounded by people armed with killing machines that nobody seems to have reverence for. You're in a life or death situation by default in any time you're not parked or stuck in traffic. All you or someone else needs to do is get distracted for a moment or fall asleep or whatever. Maybe they just decided that was their time to go and drive through a crowd of people.

In the mountains you could be in a very vulnerable spot, or you could effectively be camping, or just out for a trail run. Yes, bad things could happen, but there are all sorts of variables that matter to affect that. I've taken some spills, they happen, sometimes they've been scary, but I opted into that risk.

Both places are dangerous, only one is nearly always dangerous. While it may not literally be the drive to the climb that takes you out, I think the point is that being a car commuter or around roads regularly does pose a greater degree of risk.

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stagger87yesterday at 12:30 AM

Even a cursory glance of mortality rates for driving vs mountaineering show orders of magnitude higher rates for mountaineering.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6843304/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...

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