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FridayoLearyyesterday at 11:34 PM5 repliesview on HN

Another problem you haven't mentioned is the level of union control in the industry. Which is great as far as protecting jobs and salaries for existing controllers but it makes getting a desirable position difficult for a new graduate. From your comment it sounds like they just get dumped with the least desirable location until they've climbed high enough up the totem pole to get a good job.


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RandomBacontoday at 3:05 AM

U.S. ATC here. I don't think you know what you're talking about: the union is doing nothing for our salaries. The union has no say on where new graduates get placed.

Our union is a joke. They send emails saying they're "monitoring the situation" instead of talking with the media stating our case for better working conditions.

Our salaries have not kept up with the industry. Do not use this to try to push an anti-union agenda.

throwaway48476yesterday at 11:37 PM

Most ATCs spend their whole career at one or two towers. 'Desireable' in the case of graduates is usually wherever they or their family was living when they got hired. The union doesn't have any say in tower assignment.

anonymarstoday at 5:26 AM

Ronald Reagan is laughing at the notion of a powerful ATC union (PATCO 1981 Strike)

sandworm101yesterday at 11:50 PM

>> a desirable position difficult for a new graduate.

These generally are not positions that people compete for across the nation. Once in a particular airspace, controllers will generally stay in that airspace. An outsider unfamiliar with an airspace would be at significant disadvantage to any local.

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fallingknifetoday at 3:23 AM

I really want to like unions. They make all the sense in the world in principle. But in practice they always seem to end up centered around this "pay your dues" climb the ladder bullshit.

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