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mettamagetoday at 7:04 AM4 repliesview on HN

How come it's just a 2 party system and not a multi party system like in some European countries?


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kybernetikostoday at 7:28 AM

Most countries with multi party systems use different methods for selecting their representatives. When you do a straight aggregation of geographical areas in which you take whomever gets the most votes in each area (sometimes called first past the post) it becomes possible for the most disliked party in a country to win, widely geographical distributed concerns (like ecological concerns) become underrepresented, and most relevant to this conversation, having multiple parties that are close to each other is a huge disadvantage compared to having a single party attracting more people. Because of this, countries with this system will usually see smaller parties merge and stabilise on a 2 party government / opposition set up.

The study of how different kinds of voting systems work and their advantages, disadvantages and consequences is called social choice theory. There's an interesting theorem called Arrow's theorem that proves that given a certain set of assumptions, there can be no voting system that works exactly as we would like. Sometimes this is used to argue that all systems are equally bad, but I think this is not true at all - even while imperfect, some systems are much better than others.

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ronnieboy493today at 8:04 AM

Not a direct cause but popped into my head:

Previous to 1988 the League of Women Voters[0] handled presidential debates. A fully independent outside organization.

Since then, the Commission on Presidential Debates[1] set rules for admittance to president debates. The CPD was founded jointly by Republicans and Democrats and is controlled solely by both parties.

At best, there _appears_ to be a large, gaping conflict of interest when it comes to admitting candidates to presidential debates. In 1992 Ross Perot was invited to the debates as a third option. In 1996 Clinton and Dole successfully argued for Perot to be excluded from the debates as he had no "realistic chance to win" [2]. Perot aside, what happened was downright anti-democratic and further enforced the two party system.

Now that I'm on this...I'll do another example of this abuse of power. Candidates from third parties have been arrested for protesting outside presidential debates [3,4]. Even if the protests broke the law, arresting opponents for asking to be given a podium to speak at feels bad.

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[0] https://www.lwv.org

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_on_Presidential_Deb...

[2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1996/09/18/p...

[3] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/oct/18/jill-s...

[4] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3740146.stm

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bazoom42today at 7:23 AM

First-past-the-post tend to lead to two-party systems while proportional representation tend to lead to multi-party systems. But you can’t have proportional representation in presidental elections since only one candidate can win. Countries with multi-party systems tend to have parlimentary systems.

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mettamagetoday at 7:45 AM

That question got a downvote? I wonder why. It's a genuine question. Why can't good faith be assumed?

Edit: I get that people downvote this comment since it's always controversial to ask.

I personally always ask when I am more curious about the answer and am willing to burn any potential karma over it.

Asking for feedback is more important.

I'm just genuinely surprised about the other one.

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