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ChadNauseamlast Thursday at 9:21 PM3 repliesview on HN

That the type system is responsible for rust's slow builds is a common and enduring myth. `cargo check` (which just does typechecking) is actually usually pretty fast. Most of the build time is spent in the code generation phase. Some macros do cause problems as you mention, since the code that contains the macro must be compiled before the code that uses it, so they reduce parallelism.


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rstuart4133last Thursday at 9:36 PM

> Most of the build time is spent in the code generation phase.

I can believe that, but even so it's caused by the type system monomorphising everything. When it use qsort from libc, you are using per-compiled code from a library. When you use slice::sort(), you get custom assembler compiled to suit your application. Thus, there is a lot more code generation going on, and that is caused by the tradeoffs they've made with the type system.

Rusts approach give you all sorts of advantages, like fast code and strong compile time type checking. But it comes with warts too, like fat binaries, and a bug in slice::sort() can't be fixed by just shipping of the std dynamic library, because there is no such library. It's been recompiled, just for you.

FWIW, modern C++ (like boost) that places everything in templates in .h files suffers from the same problem. If Swift suffers from it too, I'd wager it's the same cause.

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tedunangstlast Thursday at 10:32 PM

I just ran cargo check on nushell, and it took a minute and a half. I didn't time how long it took to compile, maybe five minutes earlier today? So I would call it faster, but still not fast.

I was all excited to conduct the "cargo check; mrustc; cc" is 100x faster experiment, but I think at best, the multiple is going to be pretty small.

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