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kbolinolast Friday at 4:27 PM1 replyview on HN

They were never good. They were always broken in these ways. For some sites, it wasn't a big deal, because the only link that ever mattered was the main link. But a lot of places that used frames were like the POSIX specs or Javadocs, and they sucked for anything other than immediate, personal use. They were not deprecated because designers hated scrollbars (they do hate them, and that sucks too, but it's beside the point).

And, ironically, the best way to fix these problems with frames is to use JavaScript.


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alganetlast Friday at 4:51 PM

> They were never good

They were good enough.

> For some sites, it wasn't a big deal

Precisely my point.

> POSIX specs or Javadocs

Hey, they work for me.

> the best way to fix these problems with frames is to use JavaScript.

Some small amounts of javascript. Mainly, proxy the state for the main frame to the address bar. No need for virtual dom, babel, react, etc.

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_Again_, you're arguing like I'm defending frames for use today. That's not what I'm doing.

Many websites follow a "left navigation, center content" overall layout, in which the navigation stays somehow stationary and the content is updated. Frames were broken, but were in the right direction. You're nitpicking on the ways they were broken instead of seeing the big picture.

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