What's an example of political censorship on US LLMs?

They've been quietly undoing a lot this IMO - gemini on the api will pretty much do anything other than CP.

As a Chinese person, I smile every time I see this argument. Government-mandated censorship that violates freedom of speech is fundamentally different from content policies set by a private company exercising its own freedom of speech.

Qwen models will also censor any discussion of mature topics fwiw, so not much of a difference there.

Yes, exactly this. One of the main reasons for ChatGPT being so successful is censorship. Remember that Microsoft launched an AI on Twitter like 10 years ago and within 24 hours they shut it down for outputting PR-unfriendly messages.

They are protecting a business just as our AIs do. I can probably bring up a hundred topics that our AIs in EU in US refuse to approach for the very same reason. It's pure hypocrisy.

I find Qwen models the easiest to uncensor. But it makes sense, Chinese are always looking for aways to get things past the censor.

I've yet to encounter any censorship with Grok. Despite all the negative news about what people are telling it to do, I've found it very useful in discussing controversial topics.

I'll use ChatGPT for other discussions but for highly-charged political topics, for example, Grok is the best for getting all sides of the argument no matter how offensive they might be.

What material?

My lai massacre? Secret bombing campaigns in Cambodia? Kent state? MKULTRA? Tuskegee experiment? Trail of tears? Japanese internment?

Try tax avoidance

No, they don't. Censorship of the Chinese models is a superset of the censorship applied to US models.

Ask a US model about January 6, and it will tell you what happened.

This sounds very much like whataboutism[1]. Yet it would be interesting, on what dimension one could compare the censorship as similar.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

tu quoque

Not generating CSAM and fascist agitprop are not the same as censoring history.

which material?

Good luck getting GPT models to analyze Trump’s business deals. Somehow they don’t know about Deutsche Bank’s history with money laundering either.

That is not relevant for this discussion, if you don't think of every discussion as an east vs. west conflict discussion.