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cedwsyesterday at 5:05 PM16 repliesview on HN

I kind of lost interest in local models. Then Anthropic started saying I’m not allowed to use my Claude Code subscription with my preferred tools and it reminded me why we need to support open tools and models. I’ve cancelled my CC subscription, I’m not paying to support anticompetitive behaviour.


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Aurornisyesterday at 7:13 PM

> Then Anthropic started saying I’m not allowed to use my Claude Code subscription with my preferred tools

To be clear, since this confuses a lot of people in every thread: Anthropic will let you use their API with any coding tools you want. You just have to go through the public API and pay the same rate as everyone else. They have not "blocked" or "banned" any coding tools from using their API, even though a lot of the clickbait headlines have tried to insinuate as much.

Anthropic never sold subscription plans as being usable with anything other than their own tools. They were specifically offered as a way to use their own apps for a flat monthly fee.

They obviously set the limits and pricing according to typical use patterns of these tools, because the typical users aren't maxing out their credits in every usage window.

Some of the open source tools reverse engineered the protocol (which wasn't hard) and people started using the plans with other tools. This situation went on for a while without enforcement until it got too big to ignore, and they began protecting the private endpoints explicitly.

The subscription plans were never sold as a way to use the API with other programs, but I think they let it slide for a while because it was only a small number of people doing it. Once the tools started getting more popular they started closing loopholes to use the private API with other tools, which shouldn't really come as a surprise.

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aljgzyesterday at 6:22 PM

You gave up some convenience to avoid voting for a bad practice with your wallet. I admire this, try to consistently do this when reasonably feasible.

Problem is, most people don't do this, choosing convenience at any given moment without thinking about longer-term impact. This hurts us collectively by letting governments/companies, etc tighten their grip over time. This comes from my lived experience.

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skapadiayesterday at 6:48 PM

Claude Opus 4.5 by far is the most capable development model. I've been using it mainly via Claude Code, and with Cursor.

I agree anticompetitive behavior is bad, but the productivity gains to be had by using Anthropic models and tools are undeniable.

Eventually the open tools and models will catch up, so I'm all for using them locally as well, especially if sensitive data or IP is involved.

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giancarlostoroyesterday at 5:25 PM

I do wonder if they locked things down due to people abusing their CC token.

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dirkcyesterday at 6:53 PM

Access is one of my concerns with coding agents - on the one hand I think they make coding much more accessible to people who aren't developers - on the other hand this access is managed by commercial entities and can be suspended for any reason.

I can also imagine a dysfunctional future where a developers spend half their time convincing their AI agents that the software they're writing is actually aligned with the model's set of values

tomashubelbaueryesterday at 5:18 PM

Anthropic banned my account when I whipped up a solution to control Claude Code running on my Mac from my phone when I'm out and about. No commercial angle, just a tool I made for myself since they wouldn't ship this feature (and still haven't). I wasn't their biggest fanboy to begin with, but it gave me the kick in the butt needed to go and explore alternatives until local models get good enough that I don't need to use hosted models altogether.

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rschachteyesterday at 6:55 PM

Easy to use a local proxy to use other models with CC. Wrote a basic working one using Claude. LiteLLM is also good. But I agree, fuck their mindset

_ink_yesterday at 6:42 PM

What setup comes close to Claude Code? I am willing to rent cloude GPUs.

disiplusyesterday at 5:49 PM

im downloading it as we speek to try to run it on a 32gb 5090 + 128gb ddr5 i will compare it to glm 4.7-flash that was my local model of choice

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thedangleryesterday at 6:34 PM

How are you using the huge models locally?

Alxc1yesterday at 5:57 PM

I must have missed it, but what did Claude disable access for? Last I checked Cline and Claude Max still worked.

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throwup238yesterday at 6:41 PM

Did they actually say that? I thought they rolled it back.

OpenCode et al continue to work with my Max subscription.

wahnfriedenyesterday at 5:06 PM

OpenAI committed to allowing it btw. I don't know why Anthropic gets so much love here

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logicalleeyesterday at 7:32 PM

What do you require local models to do? The State of Utopia[1] is currently busy porting a small model to run in a zero-trust environment - your web browser. It's finished the port in javascript and is going to wasm now for the CPU path. you can see it being livecoded by Claude right now[2] (this is day 2, day 1 it ported the C++ code to javascript successfully). We are curious to know what permissions you would like to grant such a model and how you would like it served to you. (For example, we consider that you wouldn't trust a Go build - especially if it's built by a nation state, regardless of our branding, practices, members or contributors.)

Please list what capabilities you would like our local model to have and how you would like to have it served to you.

[1] a sovereign digital nation built on a national framework rather than a for-profit or even non-profit framework, will be available at https://stateofutopia.com (you can see some of my recent posts or comments here on HN.)

[2] https://www.youtube.com/live/0psQ2l4-USo?si=RVt2PhGy_A4nYFPi

adyesterday at 6:00 PM

which tools?

jstummbilligyesterday at 5:58 PM

> I’m not paying to support anticompetitive behaviour

You are doing that all the time. You just draw the line, arbitrarily.

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