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uyzstvqsyesterday at 5:44 PM10 repliesview on HN

This does not bode well. Matrix is honestly not good, as someone who has tried to use it. It's slow, janky, often unstable, and poorly standardized.

My suggestion: https://threema.com/en/products/work (hosted) or https://zulip.com/ (OSS self-hosted).


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ipdashctoday at 12:44 AM

Zulip is phenomenal. Cool and unique concept, clean and snappy UI. I have no idea why it's not more popular. (Network effects and an unfamiliar layout, I suppose.)

I see the comments that say Matrix has improved a lot, so maybe it's fine now, but yeah, when I tried it previously it sucked. Weird UI was my chief complaint, but more importantly it didn't seem like there was a proper concept of organizations, in the sense of Discord or Slack servers? With roles, channels, even silly things like custom emojis. Matrix at the time seemed like just an SMS group chat replacement, I have no idea why people recommended it for organizational use. Maybe it's improved since.

bigstrat2003yesterday at 5:51 PM

I've been running a Matrix homeserver for a couple of years now and I've never had any issues with it. Not saying Matrix is perfect, but it is not as bad as you are making it out to be either.

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Matlyesterday at 6:24 PM

While I don't doubt your experience, I've been running Conduit[0] for a while now to great success (a lot simpler to configure than Synapse).

I don't think it's a fact that Matrix is not good. For MS Teams? It's pretty close to a fact.

0 - https://conduit.rs

Arathornyesterday at 5:51 PM

When did you try it? Both Matrix the protocol and implementations like Element X have improved immeasurably over the last year or so.

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kisamotoyesterday at 8:58 PM

Personally I've found Matrix significantly more user friendly than Threema work. Zulip I haven't used in anger so I can't comment on that but I've seen a few places that even open source they charge per user for things like notifications. Not ideal IMHO. There should be an option to replace notifications with a separate service.

It's hard to find a decent service that ticks all the boxes but I do sincerely hope that the EU can support Matrix to bring it up to the standard that we all deserve.

tcfhgjyesterday at 6:04 PM

Threema: proprietary, outside EU

Zulip: lacks encryption, interoperability

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simfreeyesterday at 5:48 PM

It works faster & better than Signal Desktop.

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drnick1yesterday at 6:37 PM

> Mobile notifications for organizations with up to 10 users

Why does the self-hosted edition have this restriction? If the software is truly OSS, the limit could be trivially patched. But this kind of restriction just does not inspire much confidence in the project to be honest.

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forestoyesterday at 7:06 PM

Can you be more specific about your criticisms? I have gripes about Matrix, but your assessment doesn't match my experience.

diggyholeyesterday at 7:58 PM

Sounds like something Europe would love.