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toss1yesterday at 9:02 PM2 repliesview on HN

Moments later (~1:13) he also said "we aren't forcing Flock on anyone"

False, he is forcing Flock on EVERYONE

No one has permitted themselves to be surveilled. And no, under the radar agreements with local cops and govts do NOT constitute my permission to be surveilled. If they want to go in with fully informed referendums in each community, then I'd accept it. But that is not Flock's business model.


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mlyleyesterday at 10:32 PM

> If they want to go in with fully informed referendums in each community, then I'd accept it.

I might accept it for this specific case. But, in general, just because the majority wants to do something doesn't mean it's legitimate to force everyone to accept it.

try_the_bassyesterday at 9:25 PM

> False, he is forcing Flock on EVERYONE

> No one has permitted themselves to be surveilled

As much as I dislike Flock, this is bad logic. There's no such thing as opting out of surveillance in public spaces. Public spaces are defined by being public, in that everyone (even governments/corporations!) is free to observe everyone else in that same setting.

So in reality, everyone has permitted themselves to be surveilled, purely through the act of being in public.

This idea that there's some kind of difference between me watching you in public and Flock watching you in public is, quite frankly, bogus.

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