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tasty_freezeyesterday at 1:52 AM5 repliesview on HN

Why do you assume the two have to be small integers? There is nothing currently in physics which would disallow the electron to be -1 and the proton to be +1234567891011213141516171819. The fact they are both of magnitude 1 is a huge coincidence.


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Paracompactyesterday at 2:16 AM

I'm not assuming they have to be small integers—I'm saying that if the universe is built on discrete rather than continuous foundations, then small integers and coincidences at the bottom-turtle theory-of-everything become much less surprising. You're treating the space of possible charge values as if it's the reals, or at least some enormous range, but I consider that unlikely.

Consider: in every known case where we have found a deeper layer of explanation for a "coincidence" in physics, the explanation involved some symmetry or conservation law that constrained the values to a small discrete set. The quark model took seemingly arbitrary coincidences and revealed them as consequences of a restrictive structure. auntienomen's point about anomaly cancellation is also exactly this kind of thing. The smallness of the set in question isn't forced, but it is plausible.

But I actually think we're agreeing more than you realize. You're saying "this can't be a coincidence, there must be a deeper reason." I'm saying the deeper reason might bottom out at "the consistent discrete structures are sparse and this is one of them," which is a real explanation, but it might not have the form of yet another dynamical layer underneath.

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jaybrendansmithyesterday at 4:41 AM

Perhaps only visible matter is made up of particles with these exactly matching charges? If they did not match, they would not stay in equilibrium, and would not be so easily found.

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IsTomyesterday at 10:25 AM

If they were, I'd assume that there wouldn't be anyone in the universe to observe that.

anon84873628yesterday at 6:10 PM

You seem to be contradicting yourself, having already said:

>I'm aware of the charge coming from quark

So it's not +huge_number because the number of quarks involved is small. Sure we still don't understand the exact reason, but it's hardly as surprising that, uh, charge is quantized...

ImHereToVoteyesterday at 4:14 PM

And why does this hole fit my shape perfectly? Asked the puddle.