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cookiengineeryesterday at 5:05 AM3 repliesview on HN

The problem with XMPP is that it's a suite of RFCs.

It's like describing DNS, which is a conglomerate of RFCs so complex that it's unlikely to be implemented correctly and completely.

XMPP is a design fail in that regard, because if you have to tell your chat contacts to download a different client that fulfills OMEMO or XEP-whatever specs, then yeah, ain't gonna happen for most people.

(I am still a proponent of XMPP, but the working groups need to get their shit together to unify protocol support across clients)


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aaravchenyesterday at 5:22 AM

This has been brought up on HN before, and people smarter than me identified that this view is about 10 years out of date. Yes it's a bunch of XEPs, but there are standardized "sets" apparently that include all of the things any other similar tools do. It sounds like only very niche old/minimal XMPP clients don't support encryption by default for example, and virtually all servers have supported it for many years.

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MarsIronPIyesterday at 3:08 PM

This is what I mean by "it needs a good client". It needs a single implementation that works consistently across platforms and has the features and UX people care about. The groundwork is there, and is better than Matrix. It's a matter of writing software to implement the useful subset of the specs.