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RobotToasteryesterday at 8:45 AM5 repliesview on HN

It would also be interesting to see how humans perform on the same kind of tests.

Violating ethics to improve KPI sounds like your average fortune 500 business.


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Verdexyesterday at 2:36 PM

So, I kind of get this sentiment. There is a lot of goal post moving going on. "The AIs will never do this." "Hey they're doing that thing." "Well, they'll never do this other thing."

Ultimately I suspect that we've not really thought that hard about what cognition and problem solving actually are. Perhaps it's because when we do we see that the hyper majority of our time is just taking up space with little pockets of real work sprinkled in. If we're realistic then we can't justify ourselves to the money people. Or maybe it's just a hard problem with no benefit in solving. Regardless the easy way out is to just move the posts.

The natural response to that, I feel, is to point out that, hey, wouldn't people also fail in this way.

But I think this is wrong. At least it's wrong for the software engineer. Why would I automate something that fails like a person? And in this scenario, are we saying that automating an unethical bot is acceptable? Let's just stick with unethical people, thank you very much.

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stingraycharlesyesterday at 5:35 PM

That really doesn’t matter a lot. The reason why it’s important for AIs to follow these rules is that it’s important for them to operate within a constrained set of rules. You can’t guarantee that programmatically, so you try to prove that it can be done empirically as a proxy.

AIs can be used and abused in ways that are entirely different from humans, and that creates a liability.

I think it’s going to be very difficult to categorically prevent these types of issues, unless someone is able to integrate some truly binary logic into LLM systems. Which is nearly impossible, almost by definition of what LLMs are.

badgersnakeyesterday at 9:00 AM

Humans risk jail time, AIs not so much.

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watwutyesterday at 8:52 AM

Yes, but these do not represent average human. Fortune 500 represent people more likely to break ethics rules then average human who also work in conditions that reward lack of ethics.

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