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cyanydeezyesterday at 11:40 AM3 repliesview on HN

> 2012, Australian psychologist Gina Perry investigated Milgram's data and writings and concluded that Milgram had manipulated the results, and that there was a "troubling mismatch between (published) descriptions of the experiment and evidence of what actually transpired." She wrote that "only half of the people who undertook the experiment fully believed it was real and of those, 66% disobeyed the experimenter".[29][30] She described her findings as "an unexpected outcome" that

Its unlikely Milligram played am unbiased role in, if not the sirext cause of the results.


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loresyesterday at 12:23 PM

Milgram was flawed, sure. However, you can look at videos of ICE agents being surprised that their community think they're evil and doing evil, when they think they're just law enforcement. There was not even a need for coercion there, only story-telling.

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IanCalyesterday at 12:29 PM

What you have quoted says a third of people who thought it was real didn’t disobey the experimenter when they thought they were delivering dangerous and lethal electric shocks to a human. Is that correct?

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funkyfiddler369yesterday at 1:10 PM

Enough of the people participating in any kind of social stuff lie whether they think it's real or not.

Social science aka sociology doesn't exist. It's all make believe, sabotage and (psychological) extortion and blackmail--aka peer pressure, within the constraints of the context and how the individuals project that context into the real world (or are convinced by others of a certain projection for some amount of time).

Sociology and psychology are situational assessments and measurements. All soft sciences are. They are not even sciences in isolated contexts. They are collections of methods that can be turned to dust by "a better", more fun, "more logical" argument, which is impossible to debate rationally.

Not lying for the sake of science is often enough disregarded even by scientists, which aligns perfectly with what you describe.