> So we agree, including that there is a difference.

No, that's a distinction without a difference. I mean, it doesn't matter in the slightest if at some point in time certain powers weren't abused, if they're being abused now the situation cannot be tolerated.

Arguing about how it's possible not to abuse the system is a waste of time at best and a diversion at worst.

But did you not disagree before? The "I am getting tired" statement kind of implies that.