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dynmyesterday at 8:38 PM9 repliesview on HN

What I find puzzling about these proposals is that it SEEMS like they could be designed to achieve 90% of the stated goals with almost 0% of the loss of privacy.

The idea would be that devices could "opt in" to safety rather than opt out. Allow parents to purchase a locked-down device that always includes a "kids" flag whenever it requests online information, and simply require online services to not provide kid-unfriendly information if that flag is included.

I know a lot of people believe that this is just all just a secret ploy to destroy privacy. Personally, I don't think so. I think they genuinely want to protect kids, and the privacy destruction is driven by a combination of not caring and not understanding.


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jacquesmyesterday at 9:37 PM

You are mistaking cause for effect. The loss of privacy is the goal, not a side effect, the rest is just a fig leaf.

c22yesterday at 8:56 PM

Better yet, require online services to send a 'not for kids' flag along with any restricted content then let families configure their devices however they want.

Even better, make the flags granular: <recommended age>, <content flag>, <source>, <type>

13+, profane language, user, text

17+, violence, self, video

18+, unmoderated content, user, text

13+, drug themes, self, audio

and so on...

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asdffyesterday at 9:55 PM

As others have said, the goal is the surveillance. But this notion goes further than that. So many ills people face in life can be solved by just not doing something. Addicted to something? Just stop. Fat? Stop eating. Getting depressed about social media? Stop browsing.

Some people have enough self control to do that and quit cold turkey. Other people don't even consciously realize what they are doing as they perform that maladaptive action without any thought at all, akin to scratching a mosquito bite.

If someone could figure out why some people are more self aware than others, a whole host of the worlds problems would be better understood.

KoolKat23yesterday at 8:44 PM

I have not once seen a proposal actually contain zero knowledge proof. This isn't something exotic or difficult. It is clear to me there is ulterior motives, and perhaps a few well meaning folks have been co-opted.

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rolphyesterday at 9:27 PM

it may be simple to sleuth out over time kid status or not, but i would be very uncomfortable with a tag that verifies kid status instantly no challenges, as it would provide a targeting vector, and defeat safety.

OutOfHereyesterday at 9:21 PM

It has nothing much to do with kids and everything to do with monitoring and suppressing adults.

ImHereToVoteyesterday at 9:19 PM

You are assuming good faith. This is why you are puzzled.

sublinearyesterday at 8:47 PM

I completely agree. The problem is the lack of compromise on both sides of the issue.

I wouldn't say it's a lack of understanding, but that any compromise is seen as weakness by other members of their party. That needs to end.