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EastSmithlast Sunday at 10:10 PM12 repliesview on HN

With OpenClaw we are seeing how the app layer becomes as important as the model layer.

You can switch models multiple times (online/proprietary, open weight, local), but you have one UI : OpenClaw.


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Aurornisyesterday at 1:42 AM

> You can switch models multiple times (online/proprietary, open weight, local), but you have one UI : OpenClaw.

It’s only been a couple months. I guarantee people will be switching apps as others become the new hot thing.

We saw the same claims when Cursor was popular. Same claims when Claude Code was the current topic. Users are changing their app layer all the time and trying new things.

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softwaredouglast Sunday at 10:23 PM

Indeed, coding agents took off because of a lot of ongoing trial and error on how to build the harness as much as model quality.

pyuser583yesterday at 1:12 AM

This is the sort of thing employers are failing on. They sign contracts that assume employees are going to be logging in and asking questions directly.

But if I don’t have a url for my IDE (or whatever) to call, it isn’t useful.

So I use Ollama. It’s less helpful, but ensure confidentiality and compliance.

czhu12yesterday at 3:15 AM

It’s only 2 months and there are already a rush of viable alternatives, from smaller, lightweight versions, to hosted, managed SaaS alternatives.

I’d suspect the moat here will be just as fragile as every other layer

bhadassyesterday at 12:32 AM

openclaw is just one of many now, there are new ones weekly.

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karmasimidayesterday at 5:10 AM

Why?

You can literally ask codex to build a slim version for you overnight.

I love OpenClaw, but I really don't think there is anything that can't be cloned.

canadiantimlast Sunday at 11:22 PM

There’s actually many UI’s now? See moltis, rowboat, and various others that are popping up daily

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alansaberyesterday at 10:30 AM

This has been the case since the beginning of last year imo

baxtrlast Sunday at 10:18 PM

Seems like models become commoditized?

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madeofpalkyesterday at 1:09 AM

? We saw this years/months ago with Claude Code and Cursor.

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coffeebeqnyesterday at 6:05 AM

What’s the moat exactly?

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zombotyesterday at 6:16 AM

Well, duh.

You being able to go places is the interesting thing, your car having wheels is just a subservient prerequisite.