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jmward01yesterday at 4:09 PM4 repliesview on HN

This reminds me of the old brain-teaser/joke that goes something like 'An airplane crashes on the boarder of x/y, where do they bury the survivors?' The point being that this exact style of question has real examples where actual people fail to correctly answer it. We mostly learn as kids through things like brain teasers to avoid these linguistic traps, but that doesn't mean we don't still fall for them every once in a while too.


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Retricyesterday at 4:44 PM

That’s less a brain teaser than running into the error correction people use with language. This is useful when you simply can’t hear someone very well or when the speaker makes a mistake, but fails when language is intentionally misused.

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godelskiyesterday at 9:25 PM

I'm actually having a hard time interpreting your meaning.

Are you criticizing LLMs? Highlighting the importance of this training and why we're trained that way even as children? That it is an important part of what we call reasoning?

Or are you giving LLMs the benefit of the doubt, saying that even humans have these failure modes?[0]

Though my point is more that natural language is far more ambiguous than I think people give credit to. I'm personally always surprised that a bunch of programmers don't understand why programming languages were developed in the first place. The reason they're hard to use is explicitly due to their lack of ambiguity, at least compared to natural languages. And we can see clear trade offs with how high level a language is. Duck typing is both incredibly helpful while being a major nuisance. It's the same reason even a technical manager often has a hard time communicating instructions. Compression of ideas isn't very easy

[0] I've never fully understood that argument. Wouldn't we call a person stupid for giving a similar answer? How does the existence of stupid mean we can't call LLMs stupid? It's simultaneously anthropomorphising while being mechanistic.

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crackiyesterday at 11:29 PM

>bury the *survivors*

I did not catch that in the first pass.

I read it as the casualties, who would be buried wherever the next of kin or the will says they should.

yakbarberyesterday at 9:37 PM

same things as the old, "what's heavier, a tonne of coal or a tonne of feathers". many, many people will say a ton a coal...