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Veservyesterday at 8:20 PM6 repliesview on HN

It is important to note that this is with safety drivers. Professional driver + their most advanced "Robotaxi" FSD version under test with careful scrutiny is 4x worse than the average non-professional driver alone and averaging 57,000 miles per minor collision.

Yet it is quite odd how Tesla also reports that untrained customers using old versions of FSD with outdated hardware average 1,500,000 miles per minor collision [1], a literal 3000% difference, when there are no penalties for incorrect reporting.

[1] https://www.tesla.com/fsd/safety


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WarmWashyesterday at 8:33 PM

Robotaxi supevision is just an emergency brake switch.

Consumer supervision is having all the controls of the car right there in front of you. And if you are doing it right, you have your hands on wheel and foot on the pedals ready to jump in.

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helsinkiandrewyesterday at 8:55 PM

To be fair to Tesla and other self driving taxis, urban and shorter journeys usually have worse collision rates than the average journey - and FSD is likely to be owners driving themselves to work etc.

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thedougdyesterday at 9:21 PM

I would guess the FSD numbers get help from drivers taking over during difficult situations and use weighted towards highway miles?

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cyberaxyesterday at 10:29 PM

The old FSD was mostly used on freeways that naturally have a much lower incident rate per mile. And a lot of incidents that happen are caused by inattention/fatigue.

So this number is plausible.

samptonyesterday at 10:45 PM

I only flip on FSD when on the highway. It has come a long way but still too many problems on local roads.