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WalterBrightyesterday at 8:51 PM1 replyview on HN

If this extreme judgement causes Tesla to abandon autodrive, there will be more deaths on the road. It just isn't rational.

Besides, nobody makes you turn on the autodrive.


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breveyesterday at 9:25 PM

You haven't established that it has saved any lives beyond vague, hand waving anecdotes.

What is autodrive? Are you talking about basic autopilot, enhanced autopilot, or full self-driving? They are separate modes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot#Driving_featur...

Which revision of the hardware and software is the "good one"? Remember that Tesla claimed in 2016 that all Teslas in production "have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver". But that was, of course, a lie:

https://web.archive.org/web/20240730071548/https://tesla.com...

https://electrek.co/2025/10/22/tesla-changes-all-cars-have-s...

What Tesla used to claim was "full autonomy" is now called "Full Self-Driving (supervised)", whatever that's supposed to mean. How many times has "Full Self-Driving (supervised)" gone dangerously wrong but was stopped? How many times was supervision not enough:

https://electrek.co/2025/05/23/tesla-full-self-driving-veers...

Show me some concrete numbers to back your claims. If you can't do that then I think you've fallen victim to Tesla's dishonest marketing.

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