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laylowertoday at 11:34 AM3 repliesview on HN

I've heard of Chris but not too well. This guy does not f*c$ around, don't get on his bad side.

The state of research is dire at the moment. The whole ecosystem is cooked. Reproducibility is non-existent. This obvious cartel is a symptom and there should be exemplary punishment.

Publishers are commercially incentivized to simply maximize profit and engagement. The main actors are academics and most of them try to uphold the high standards and ethics. Yes there is free-riding, backstabbing and a lot of politics but there is also reputation and honesty.

A few academics give academia a bad name, at the worst possible time and when society needs honest, reliable, reproducible and targetted research the most.


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Bengaliloltoday at 1:46 PM

About Chris, this 3.5 years old post made me wonder what he's all about. https://www.chrisbrunet.com/p/this-princeton-economics-profe...

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Wobbles42today at 7:39 PM

All of academic publishing has fallen victim to Goodhart's law.

Our metrics for judging the quality of academic information are also the metrics for deciding the success of an academic's career. They are destined to be gamed.

We either need to turn peer review into an adversarial system where the reviewer has explicit incentives to find flaws and can advance their career by doing it well, or else we need totally different metrics for judging publications (which will probably need to evolve continuously).

We assume far too much good faith in this space.

Freak_NLtoday at 12:02 PM

I have no doubt that there are honest academics who publish research which actually contributes to humanity's corpus of knowledge. Whether that is some new insight into the past, observations on nature and man's interaction with it, clever chemical advances, or medical innovations which benefit mankind. People who publish works which will be looked upon as seminal and foundational in a decade or two, but also works which just focus on some particular detail and which will be of use to many researchers in the future.

But I can't shake the impression that a lot, perhaps the vast majority, of science consists of academics (postdocs and untenured researchers in particular I suppose) stuck in the publish-or-perish cycle. Pushing pointless papers where some trivial hypothesis is tested and which no one will ever use or read — except perhaps to cite for one reason or another, but rarely because it makes academic sense. Now with added slop, because why wouldn't you if the work itself is already as good as pointless?

The system, as you say, is fucked.

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