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Tharreyesterday at 6:34 PM3 repliesview on HN

There simply isn't a known solution to this problem. If you give users the ability to install unverified apps, then bad actors can trick them into installing bad ones that steal their auth codes and whatnot. If you want to disallow certain apps then you have to make decisions about what apps (stores) are "blessed" and what criteria are used to make those distinctions, necessarily restricting what users can do with their own devices.

You can go a softer route of requiring some complicated mechanism of "unlocking" your phone before you can install unverified apps - but by definition that mechanism needs to be more complicated then even a guided (by a scammer) normal non-technical user can manage. So you've essentially made it impossible for normies to install non-playstore apps and thus also made all other app stores irrelevant for the most part.

The scamming issue is real, but the proposed solutions seem worse then the disease, at least to me.


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singpolyma3yesterday at 8:19 PM

> There simply isn't a known solution to this problem. If you give users the ability to install unverified apps, then bad actors can trick them into installing bad ones that steal their auth codes and whatnot.

This is also true if they can only install verified apps, because no company on earth has the resources to have an actually functional verification process and stuff gets through every day.

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RandomGerm4nyesterday at 7:56 PM

The solution would be a "noob mode" that disables sideloading and other security-critical features, which can be chosen when the device is first turned on and requires a factory reset to deactivate. People who still choose expert mode even though they are beginners would then only have themselves to blame.

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Retr0idyesterday at 6:59 PM

We know how to do hardware-bound phishing-resistant credentials now, it is a solved problem.

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