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joering2yesterday at 7:22 PM5 repliesview on HN

Honestly I think it depends if Trump stays in power above his current term (not here to argue whether or not its possible). But he knows he cannot collect billions of tax payers subsidies for EVs and then flip a switch and have factory producing Optimus bots. That 100% fraud, and only Trump will ignore it.


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bagelsyesterday at 7:30 PM

How is it fraud for a company to change focus and start producing other kinds of products? It's not fraud in the same way that promising that the car would be able to drive itself from Los Angeles to New York in 2017 and selling people "Full Self Driving Hardware" is.

ralph84yesterday at 7:37 PM

Tesla single-handedly created the market for EVs. There are over 9 million Teslas on the road worldwide. That's a much bigger return on their subsidies than most government programs.

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deburoyesterday at 7:27 PM

Why would that be fraud? Is the subsidy something other than giving the people purchasing EVs a "rebate"?

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rootusrootusyesterday at 7:44 PM

> I think it depends if Trump stays in power above his current term (not here to argue whether or not its possible)

If that were to happen, we will not be caring at all about Tesla's choices, so I'm not sure how you can make such a statement and then claim there is no argument to be had.

wat10000yesterday at 8:09 PM

The subsidies are things like emissions credits and tax credits for purchases. They applied to units already manufactured and sold. There's no conceivable case for fraud if they decide to stop making EVs.