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mattmaroonyesterday at 9:27 PM7 repliesview on HN

It’s strange to me when otherwise intelligent people call this genocide. Genocide is an attempt to exterminate an entire people. Israel is a nuclear armed nation fighting against the equivalent of Dayton, OH.

If genocide were the goal this war would have lasted one day.

Collective punishment, or a long term ethnic cleansing would be much more accurate, but you’re just repeating what you read unthinkingly if you say genocide.


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zorkedyesterday at 10:02 PM

Your are using an argument similar to the repugnant logic of Holocaust deniers. They use claims that Germany could have easily killed Jews /even faster/ as an argument to claim that they didn't commit genocide /at all/.

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superb_devyesterday at 9:53 PM

How is long term ethnic cleansing different from genocide?

khazhouxyesterday at 10:08 PM

“Your honor and members of the jury: my client could have easily committed way worse crimes!”

wayeqyesterday at 9:48 PM

> If genocide were the goal this war would have lasted one day.

You can't infer intent that way. Nuking Gaza isn't free, it would introduce an existential threat to Israel. They are toeing a dangerous line already, and using WMDs would align other countries against them really quickly.

Putin isn't avoiding using nukes on Ukraine because he's a nice guy.

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yosaminoyesterday at 11:47 PM

Yes, there is a long term effort by the State of Israel to remove Palestinian life from Palestinian land.

The term "genocide" noes not mean "kill every single member of a group", it refers to the destruction of the group itself by whatever means.

> you’re just repeating what you read unthinkingly if you say genocide.

Your policy of deeming everybody who does not have the same opinion as you to be too stupid, is smug, self serving and lazy.

See, I could just also go ahead and tell you that you are too "unthinkingly" to know that "ethnic cleansing" is a euphemism for "genocide" and that "long term ethnic cleansing" is exactly congruent in meaning with "genocide" (look it up).

Instead of doing that, I would like you to consider that when I say that the state of Israel is committing a genocide against the Palestinian people, I have thought long and hard about whether that is the appropriate term, and without taking it lightly, I have for myself concluded that that is actually the correct term.