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Interesting. Is this just literally “fun”, or do you see real world use cases?


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nothrabannosirtoday at 4:05 AM

The aws cli has a set of porcelain for s3 access (aws s3) and plumbing commands for lower level access to advanced controls (aws s3api). The plumbing command aws s3api get-object doesn't support stdout natively, so if you need it and want to use it in a pipeline (e.g. pv), you would naively do something like

  $ aws s3api get-object --bucket foo --key bar /dev/stdout | pv ...
Unfortunately, aws s3api already prints the API response to stdout, and error messages to stderr, so if you do the above you'll clobber your pipeline with noise, and using /dev/stderr has the same effect on error.

You can, though, do the following:

  $ aws s3api get-object --bucket foo --key bar /dev/fd/3 3>&1 >/dev/null | pv ...
This will pipe only the object contents to stdout, and the API response to /dev/null.
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jeztoday at 1:37 AM

I have used this in the past when building shell scripts and Makefiles to orchestrate an existing build system:

https://github.com/jez/symbol/blob/master/scaffold/symbol#L1...

The existing build system I did not have control over, and would produce output on stdout/stderr. I wanted my build scripts to be able to only show the output from the build system if building failed (and there might have been multiple build system invocations leading to that failure). I also wanted the second level to be able to log progress messages that were shown to the user immediately on stdout.

    Level 1: create fd=3, capture fd 1/2 (done in one place at the top-level)
    Level 2: log progress messages to fd=3 so the user knows what's happening
    Level 3: original build system, will log to fd 1/2, but will be captured
It was janky and it's not a project I have a need for anymore, but it was technically a real world use case.
jas-today at 1:51 AM

Red hat and other RPM based distributions recommended kickstart scripts use tty3 using a similar method

post-ittoday at 12:17 AM

Multiple levels of logging, all of which you want to capture but not all in the same place.

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