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layer8yesterday at 7:22 PM14 repliesview on HN

> The Hyperion Cantos is a masterpiece which every scifi fan ought to have read

You have to have some affinity to religious/Christianity/church topics, otherwise it’s quite a turn-off.


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mbeexyesterday at 7:35 PM

Atheist here: Not true, there is much more in Hyperion (and even Endymion)

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stickfigureyesterday at 9:34 PM

I don't want to dogpile on the other comments (atheist, loved the book) but I think there's something interesting here.

Most science fiction tends to assume that religiosity will fade as humanity matures, and in a few thousand years we'll all have a good laugh at those silly ancient humans. This feels generally right to me. But it's not the only possible future, and Hyperion explores a far future in which religiosity becomes more ingrained.

I thought it was one of the more interesting aspects of the book, and contributed to the feeling of "not just another space opera". You don't have to appreciate religion to like the story.

castralyesterday at 7:39 PM

To be fair, the first novel Hyperion is quite literally a survey of major world religions, not just Christianity. It does settle onto Christian symbolism in the second book onward, but the first two novels alone are still worth reading for their ideas. No affinity required, it's just the default Western canon at work.

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bayindirhyesterday at 8:46 PM

The religious themes are a thin veil in Hyperion, looking behind them opens another dimension to ponder about.

I’m not a Christian, BTW.

ceejayozyesterday at 7:38 PM

I have zero affinity for those and found it a fascinating read.

Supermanchoyesterday at 7:38 PM

It's interesting how different stories have different underlying religious underpinnings in different parts of the world. It's important to consider that these themes are precisely because the stories are born from the surrounding culture.

Christian references in the Cantos were probably incidental, given the expected familiarity of the intended audience (american white male young men). eg The Matrix trilogy started with the obvious messianic hero's journey, then attempted to expand it in the following films (karma, cycles of death and rebirth, etc).

For some, these religious messages can be a turn off, I agree. I happened to be raised in a culture that allowed me to ignore it more or less and I can recognize that.

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samusyesterday at 8:54 PM

It's up to anybody to not have a particular taste for religious topics, however, spirituality (or the lack thereof) is an important part of human culture and psychology. Therefore a science fiction novel in a sufficiently different setting from Earth's early 21st century really ought to cover these topics as well, lest the worldbuilding would be very shallow and the resulting work would likely lack depth.

kakacikyesterday at 7:43 PM

Atheist/agnostic here, completely untrue statement

Brian_K_Whiteyesterday at 9:18 PM

Atheist. Loved it.

loloquwowndueoyesterday at 9:08 PM

Entirely untrue.

Trasmattayesterday at 7:43 PM

I disagree strongly. I'm not religious at all, and have a strong aversion to Christianity, and I loved those books.

iamtheworstdevyesterday at 7:49 PM

:shrug: I'm an Atheist, I loved the series.