alt Hacker NewsYeah but this time it's for real.
All the other attempts failed because they were just mindless conversions of formal languages to formal languages. Basically glorified compilers. Either the formal language wasn't capable enough to express all situations, or it was capable and thus it was as complex as the one thing it was designed to replace.
AI is different. You tell it in natural language, which can be ambiguous and not cover all the bases. And people are familiar with natural language. And it can fill in the missing details and disambiguate the others.
This has been known to be possible for decades, as (simplifying a bit) the (non-technical) manager can order the engineer in natural, ambiguous language what to do and they will do it. Now the AI takes the place of the engineer.
Also, I personally never believed before AI that programming will disappear, so the argument that "this has been hyped before" doesn't touch my soul.
I have no idea why this is so hard to understand. I'd like people to reply to me in addition to downvoting.
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A manager is not going to handle all the nitty gritty details, that an engineer knows, fine say, they can ask a LLM to make a web portal.
Does he know about SQL injection? XSS?
Maybe he knows slightly about security stuffs and asks the LLM to make a secure site with all the protection needed. But how the manager knows it works at all? If you figure out there's a issue with your critical part of the software, after your users data are stolen, how bad the fallback is going to be?
How good a tool is also depends on who's using it. Managers are not engineers obviously unless he was an engineer before becoming a manager, but you are saying engineers are not needed. So, where's the engineer manager is going to come from? I'm sure we're not growing them in some engineering trees
> And it can fill in the missing details and disambiguate the others.
Are you suggesting “And Claude, make no mistakes” works?
Because otherwise you need an expert operating the thing. Yes, it can answer questions, but you need to know what exactly to ask.
> This has been known to be possible for decades, as (simplifying a bit) the (non-technical) manager can order the engineer in natural, ambiguous language what to do and they will do it
I have yet to see vibe coding work like this. Even expert devs with LLMs get incorrect output. Anytime you have to correct your prompt, that’s why your argument fails.
> All the other attempts failed because they were just mindless conversions of formal languages to formal languages.
This is just categorically false.
No-code tools didn't fail because they were "mindless conversions of formal languages to formal languages". They failed because the people who were supposed to benefit the most (non-developers) neither had the time nor desire to build stuff in the first place.
The thing about talking to computers is less the formality and more the specificity. People don't know what they want. To use an LLM effectively, you need to think about what you want with enough clarity to ask for it and check that you're getting it. That LLMs accept your wishes in the form of natural language instead of something with a LALR(1) grammar doesn't magically obviate the need for specificity and clarity in communication.
I spent the last two weeks at work building a whole system to deploy automated claude code agents in response to events and even before i finished it was already doing useful work and now it is automatically handling jira tickets and making PRs.
Programmers have enjoyed an occupation with solid stability and growing opportunities. AI challenging this virtually over night is a tough pill to swallow. Naturally, many subscribe to the hope that it will fail.
How far AI will succeed in replacing programmers remains to be seen. Personally I think many jobs will disappear, especially in the largest domains (web). But I think this will only be a fraction and not a majority. For now, AI is simply most useful when paired with a programmer.