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jspdownyesterday at 10:28 AM6 repliesview on HN

Domestic mass surveillance might feel tolerable when you live in the country conducting it. But how would you feel about other countries adopting similar policies, and thereby mass-surveilling the American people? Because that's exactly what these policies authorize when applied to the rest of the world.


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amunozoyesterday at 10:31 AM

Americans always think they're exceptional so they have the divine right to do things that the rest cannot.

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raw_anon_1111yesterday at 1:39 PM

I would feel much better about other countries mass surveillance than the US. China for instance can’t do nearly as much to me as the US justice system can.

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victorioyesterday at 11:19 AM

The way the anthropic statement was written really stood out to me. How they posture themselves in favour of surveillance for foreign countries or the existence of fully autonomous weapons if they don't threaten US citizen lifes.

I wonder if this is how some non minority of American thinks or was just worded like that to try to appeal to the "most radical patriots"

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davesqueyesterday at 9:13 PM

I don't think it will feel even remotely tolerable in the US. I've been heavily critical of Trump on a regular basis on the public internet ever since he showed up 10 years ago. I doubt a government surveillance AI would miss this. Of course, there are probably millions of people like me, but given the behavior of the government recently, I really have to wonder what they might do to people like me once we've been put on a list.

ozgungyesterday at 11:12 AM

The bad news for American people is that "others" are pretty good at these technologies. When I read an important AI paper chances are all the names on it are non-American, even for papers from American labs. In a real war, this becomes problematic.

Every nation has some bias but I think Americans have power poisoning for being the dominant power for so long. They think they are entitled to do anything and believe they are the good guys in the history. Well...

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LudwigNagasenayesterday at 4:37 PM

It’s especially ironic considering the title and the fact that many employees are not US citizens.