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georgefrownyyesterday at 2:30 PM1 replyview on HN

> the old rules-based international order

At most that was a couple of decades, it's not like that's an ancient status quo.


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JumpCrisscrossyesterday at 2:32 PM

> that was a couple of decades, it's not like that's an ancient status quo

Sure. The century-long peace following the Napoleonic Wars was also some decades.

Our default state, unfortunately, is war. But we sought to change that after the horrors of WWII (and the nuclear bomb), and it's worth nothing where those noble goals succeeded. It's sad that project is over. But something being sad doesn't mean it isn't true.

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