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scoofyyesterday at 5:51 PM8 repliesview on HN

It is difficult to instigate regime change for democratically elected governments.

Iran has an unelected supreme leader.

Israel has a large portion of its population completely disenfranchised.

The US has a generally democratically elected government.

If one of these governments is going to fall during military instabilities, it would most likely be Iran. The US will have significant regime change in November if polling holds.


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shykesyesterday at 7:26 PM

> Israel has a large portion of its population completely disenfranchised.

Care to elaborate? As far as I know, this is false. All Israeli citizens 18 or older can vote; there are no voting restrictions based on race, religion, gender or property; prisoners can vote (unlike in many US states for example); permanent residents who are not citizens cannot vote in national elections but may vote in municipal elections (not the case in the US). National turnout ranges between 65% and 75%.

Minorities are well represented: Arab and Druze citizens vote and have representation in the Knesset.

I struggle to find any dimension in which your statement is correct.

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robin_realayesterday at 7:11 PM

The US is at “flawed democracy” in the Economist Democracy Index: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

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austin-cheneyyesterday at 9:56 PM

The US and Israel are elected governments, but that should certainly not presuppose democratic. The Roman Republic was, for example, fully elected but simultaneously it was intentionally autocratic to the elite. That is why it fell to a dictatorship which then increased the liberty and standards of the people.

Democracy is the directness by which social participation equates to governance. The US is a federal republic with only two parties each bound by the same hostile funding system that benefits political contributions over the vote. That is far from democratic.

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pedalpeteyesterday at 9:12 PM

For democratically elected governments, doesn't regime change occur when any sitting politician loses the next election to their oponent?

In my thinking regime change doesn't only refer to the complete collapse of the political system, just change in direction of the leaders.

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diordiderotyesterday at 7:26 PM

> Israel has a large portion of its population completely disenfranchised.

Does it?

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kgwxdyesterday at 11:47 PM

> if polling holds.

And The Constitution.

chinathrowyesterday at 7:53 PM

You still believe the US regimes will allow elections as the they know it?

throw0101cyesterday at 7:46 PM

> It is difficult to instigate regime change for democratically elected governments.

Just ask the folks who tried on January 6.

> The US will have significant regime change in November if polling holds.

Assuming elections are held fairly. "Trump, seeking executive power over elections, is urged to declare emergency":

* https://archive.is/https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2...