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JumpCrisscrossyesterday at 4:56 PM7 repliesview on HN

As an outsider, why is this a credible institution over the jury and judge?


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docdeekyesterday at 5:03 PM

I can't speak to the institution but the only public statements on their website relate to this particular trial. It could be this is the first ever trial they have monitored in this way; it might also be a group that will only ever monitor this one trial.

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sbuttgereityesterday at 8:55 PM

Based on their "Meet the Committee" page, they look a bit more like they have a dog in this fight beyond simply adjudicating the case.

https://www.trialmonitors.org/meet-the-committee

Plenty of accomplished people there, but as a group "unbiased observers" isn't the first phrase that comes to mind.

philwelchtoday at 12:46 AM

Surely you can’t be suggesting that a committee of environmental activists might be biased in favor of Greenpeace?

https://www.trialmonitors.org/meet-the-committee

bilbo0syesterday at 5:11 PM

Well, let's not get into this left-right thing because that could go back and forth forever. Especially in the current environment.

eg - "As an outsider, why is [the jury and judge] a credible institution over the monitors?"

We should all just give the legal experts time to look over the records of what happened, and assess why. From there, a consensus will likely emerge as to what happened during and before the trial. And the justice or injustice of the matter will present itself.

But you can't have a judge say one thing and some other single expert say another, and from those pieces of information decide anything of an authoritative nature. Our institutions just don't have that type of credibility any longer. This is the consequence of credibility crises for any society's steward classes.

It was a long slide getting here, decades actually. But I think we are firmly now at the point of the "credibility collapse" portion of the "credibility crisis".

mistrial9yesterday at 5:04 PM

related topic -- "Judge shopping" refers to the practice of litigants strategically filing lawsuits in court districts or divisions where they are likely to be assigned to a judge sympathetic to their cause, often exploiting structural quirks in the judiciary

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quotzyesterday at 5:13 PM

Because sometimes corruption happens.

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harimau777yesterday at 6:59 PM

In America, just about anything is more cridble than our "justice" system.