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bitexploderyesterday at 3:21 PM5 repliesview on HN

This is the most fundamental argument that they are not, directly, an intelligence. They are not ever storing new information on a meaningful timescale. However, if you viewed them on some really large macro time scale where now LLMs are injecting information into the universe and the re-ingesting that maybe in some very philosophical way they are a /very/ slow oscillating intelligence right now. And as we narrow that gap (maybe with a totally new non-LLM paradigm) perhaps that is ultimately what gen AI becomes. Or some new insight that lets the models update themselves in some fundamental way without the insanely expensive training costs they have now.


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dtj1123yesterday at 3:58 PM

Would you consider someone with anterograde amnesia not to be intelligent?

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dotancohenyesterday at 11:07 PM

  > This is the most fundamental argument that they are not, directly, an intelligence. They are not ever storing new information on a meaningful timescale.
All major LLMs today have a nontrivial context window. Whether or not this constitutes "a meaningful timescale" is application dependant - for me it has been more than adequate.

I also disagree that this has any bearing on whether or not "the machine is intelligent" or whether or not "submarines can swim".

mlyleyesterday at 3:47 PM

There's nothing to say that you can't build something intelligent out of them by bolting a memory on it, though.

Sure, it's not how we work, but I can imagine a system where the LLM does a lot of heavy lifting and allows more expensive, smaller networks that train during inference and RAG systems to learn how to do new things and keep persistent state and plan.

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Symmetryyesterday at 6:30 PM

That means they're not conscious in the Global Workspace[1] sense but I think it would be going too far to say that that means they're not intelligent.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_workspace_theory

anematodeyesterday at 3:31 PM

But they're not "slow"! Unlike biological thinking, which has a speed limit, you can accelerate these chains of thought by orders of magnitude.

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