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xeckryesterday at 4:25 AM6 repliesview on HN

Brilliant. They're repackaging the argument governments have long made about E2EE being dangerous to children.


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debazelyesterday at 5:08 AM

Children are just too effect of a tool when building a surveillance state. We should have banned children from owning open computers a long time ago just like we do with Alcohol, Driving licenses, etc.

Instead children would own special devices that are locked down and tagged with a "underage" flag when interacting with online services, while adults could continue as normal. We already heavily restrict the freedom of children so there is plenty of precedent for this. Optionally we could provide service points to unlock devices when they turn 18 to avoid E-waste as well.

This way it's the point of sale where you provide your ID, instead of attaching it to the hardware itself and sending it out to every single SaaS on the planet to do what they wish.

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haritha-jyesterday at 8:04 AM

I don't understand why all teh child safety systems require age verification. Why not have a single setting on a smartphone that sends a 'child' flag to every single app or website, which then reacts accordingly? As long as you ensure that the browser can't be changed or modifed, it should be fine.

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pino83yesterday at 9:05 AM

Does it matter. It's just some arbitrary company. They do have the freedom to decide those things however they want, right? The customer can then decide whether to switch or not.

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threatofrainyesterday at 7:42 AM

Ultimately your neighbors must buy the argument. The reason why this argument wins is not because framing is so tricky, but because it connects with the values of your neighbors. Trying to convince people that these aren't actually their values is swimming upriver.

Tepixyesterday at 7:59 AM

The solution is simple: Take away the argument by blocking children's access to social media. Win-Win.

medi8ryesterday at 8:37 AM

TikTok is the government, morealess