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londons_exploreyesterday at 9:53 AM5 repliesview on HN

Tiktok has private messaging, and it is used by hundreds of millions of people.

IMO no consumer service should have private 1:1 messaging without e2e. Either only do public messaging (ie. Like a forum), or implement e2e.


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RobotToasteryesterday at 11:06 AM

Tiktok has direct messages, they don't even call them private.

It's better that they're honest about this, nobody should believe for a second that WhatsApp or FB messages are truly E2EE.

DM on social media shouldn't be used for anything remotely private. It's a convenience feature, nothing more.

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trashbyesterday at 10:38 AM

In my experience most forums have private messaging.

Additionally I think it is fine to say "we don't support e2ee". I prefer honesty to a bad (leaky) e2ee implementation, at least the user can make an informed choice.

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Benderyesterday at 3:18 PM

Adding that private self hosted forums can permit uploads of encrypted files, encrypted with a pre-shared secret or a secret shared over a private self hosted Mumble voice chat server.

DoneWithAllThatyesterday at 1:05 PM

And yet virtually all consumer services with 1:1 messaging lacks e2e. This is a bit of a quixotic position to take.

tuwtuwtuwtuwyesterday at 11:22 AM

The email protocols would like to have a chat with you.

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