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roncesvallesyesterday at 10:21 AM6 repliesview on HN

Depends on your definition of "safe". Imagine an adult DMs a nude photo to a minor (or other kinds of predation).

If it's E2EE, no one except the sender and receiver know about this conversation. You want an MITM in this case to detect/block such things or at least keep record of what's going on for a subpoena.

I agree that every messaging platform in the world shouldn't be MITM'd, but every messaging platform doesn't need to be E2EE'd either.


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shaknayesterday at 10:34 AM

The receiver has a proven and signed bundle, that they can upload to the abuse report. So the evidence has even stronger weight. They can already decrypt the message, they can still report it.

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gzreadyesterday at 12:01 PM

SimpleX handles this by sending the decryption keys when the receiver reports the message.

khalicyesterday at 10:39 AM

Keeping children safe and prosecuting are too different concepts, only vaguely related. So no, being able to track pdfs doesn't make children safer. What keeps them safe is teaching them safe communication habits and keeping them away from things like Tiktok.

We shouldn't make the world a worse place for every one because some parents can't take care of their children.

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roughlyyesterday at 5:32 PM

What was the rate of child exploitation in the GDR?

kgwxdyesterday at 11:33 AM

Ugh. The kids aren't even safe from the people making, and enforcing laws. This argument should be long over for anyone with eyes or ears.

philipallstaryesterday at 10:29 AM

Imagine Hamas are your government and want to figure out who's gay. You don't want a MITM in case they can do this.

Pick your definition of safe.

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