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tuwtuwtuwtuwyesterday at 8:07 PM2 repliesview on HN

So it's end to end encrypted except that third parties can see who you communicated with and when? Sure.


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Benderyesterday at 8:48 PM

Exactly.

unethical_banyesterday at 8:27 PM

I have never considered metadata a part of the term E2EE. It has always been about the message contents.

I understand that metadata is valuable information for spies/governments and that encrypting or hiding it is valuable for privacy. But if you use that definition, there are almost no E2EE protocols on the planet in use.

First and foremost, any protocol that uses Apple or Google push notifications is giving metadata to those organizations. Even Whatsapp, iMessage, Signal, Telegram private messages, all of that leaks metadata but the contents of messages are hidden from the provider.