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yndoendoyesterday at 9:38 PM2 repliesview on HN

I would say it is greatly worse.

AI prompts are designed to simulate empathy as a social engineering tactic. "I understand", "I hear you", "I feel what you are say" ... it is quite sickening. Every one that I used has this type of pseudo feedback.

I also find irony that AI must be designed with simulated empathy, to seem intelligent, while at the same time so many people in power and with money are saying empathy is a bad / unintelligent.

Empathy is the only medium of intelligence one can have to walk in the shoes of others. You cannot live your neighbors experiences. You can only listen and learn from them.


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Kim_Bruningtoday at 12:58 AM

So LLMs have empirically been shown to process affect. Rationally you can reason this out too: Natural language conveys affect, and the most accurate next token is the one that takes affect into account.

But this much is like debating "microevolution" with a YEC and trying to get them to understand the macro consequences. If you've never had the pleasure, consider yourself blessed. It's the debating equivalent of nails-on-chalkboard.

Anyway, in this case a lot of people are deeply committed to not accepting the consequences of affect-processing. Which - you know - I'd just chalk it up to religious differences and agree to disagree. But now it seems like there's profound safety implications due to this denial.

Not sure what to do with that yet.

So far it seems obvious that you need to be prepared to at least reason about affect. Otherwise it becomes rather difficult to deal with the potential failure modes.

hsuduebc2yesterday at 9:48 PM

More broadly it's the only medium to have successful any form of voluntary relationships based on sympathy. It's absolutely crucial for non-sociopath to have at least some kind of empathy because otherwise no one would simply chose you to include into their lives. I understand why they are doing that. It's simply more pleasurable to use. I chose to turn opt-out of this. For me it's creepy. I want Jarvis, not fake virtual friend.