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Tyrubiasyesterday at 5:35 AM14 repliesview on HN

I don’t like to shill for companies, but I’m glad System76 made a statement. The addendum does feel like their legal team made them add it though:

> Some of these laws impose requirements on System76 and Linux distributions in general. The California law, and Colorado law modeled after it, were agreed in concert with major operating system providers. Should this method of age attestation become the standard, apps and websites will not assume liability when a signal is not provided and assume the lowest age bracket. Any Linux distribution that does not provide an age bracket signal will result in a nerfed internet for their users.

> We are accustomed to adding operating system features to comply with laws. Accessibility features for ADA, and power efficiency settings for Energy Star regulations are two examples. We are a part of this world and we believe in the rule of law. We still hope these laws will be recognized for the folly they are and removed from the books or found unconstitutional.

Anyways, it feels like all sides of the political spectrum are trying to strip away any semblance of anonymity or privacy online both in the US and abroad. No one should have to provide any personal details to use any general computing device. Otherwise, given the pervasive tracking done by corporations and the rise of constant surveillance outdoors, there will be nowhere for people to safely gather and express themselves freely and privately.


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idle_zealotyesterday at 6:41 AM

> No one should have to provide any personal details to use any general computing device

I agree. I also agree with S76 that some laws regarding how an operating system intended for wide use should function are acceptable. How would you react to this law if the requirement was only that the operating system had to ask the user what age bracket it should report to sites? You get to pick it, it isn't mandatory that it be checked, and it doesn't need to be a date, just the bucket. Is that still too onerous?

I ask because I feel like if we don't do something, the trajectory is that ~every website and app is going to either voluntarily or compulsorily do face scans, AI behavior analysis, and ID checks for their users, and I really don't want to live in that world.

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shevy-javayesterday at 6:47 AM

> Accessibility features for ADA

The problem is that the comparison falls flat. ADA does not sniff for birth date and surrender that data to others. One has to look at things at a cohesive unit, e. g. insecure bootloaders by Microsoft surrendering data to others. It seems as if they try to make computers spy-devices. That in itself is suspicious. Why should we support any such move? Some laws are clearly written by lobbyists.

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strangattractoryesterday at 5:02 PM

Cigarette vending machines had little stickers that said it was illegal for those under 18 to purchase cigarettes. Sure stopped all my friends from buying them.

Seems exactly like the useless process fixation that Abundance advocates abhor.

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curt15yesterday at 12:40 PM

>Anyways, it feels like all sides of the political spectrum are trying to strip away any semblance of anonymity or privacy online both in the US and abroad. No one should have to provide any personal details to use any general computing device.

What was the legislative history for the California law? Who sponsored it, and who are their backers? Is there some coordinated effort by surveillance state proponents?

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sharperguyyesterday at 12:27 PM

The same politicians who claim to support the free market will do deals like ttis with corporate oligopolies to cement their position into eternity.

threatofrainyesterday at 6:14 AM

> Anyways, it feels like all sides of the political spectrum are trying to strip away any semblance of anonymity or privacy online both in the US and abroad.

It's not this or that political party, your neighbors simply don't share your values. Maybe you don't agree with their values either — like to what degree we should be ceding privacy in favor of fighting child exploitation on the internet. Child protection arguments work because it is a compass to the true feelings of your neighbors.

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hulituyesterday at 6:15 AM

> The California law, and Colorado law modeled after it, were agreed in concert with major operating system providers.

So it is Microsoft, Google and Apple pushing for this.

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gzreadyesterday at 12:01 PM

The California law doesn't strip away any anonymity or privacy except for the additional fingerprint signal of you being a kid or not, which is no worse than Accept-Language

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jadboxyesterday at 1:46 PM

Why can't it be the BROWSER that reports age instead of the OS?

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FpUseryesterday at 10:55 AM

I remember western public laughing about requirement of the former USSR to register a typewriters. So we have a case of he who slays the dragon becomes one

cmxchyesterday at 5:09 PM

Still not good enough to comply in advance.

panjayesterday at 5:51 AM

Gotta find a way to profitability I suppose

cc-dyesterday at 2:12 PM

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