alt Hacker News> (OMG I just discovered rkyv_dyn. boggle. Did someone really attempt to reproduce the security catastrophe that is Java deserialization in Rust?
Trusting possibly malicious inputs is an universal problem.
Here is a simple example:
echo "rm -rf /" > cmd
sh cmd
The solution is to add a cryptographic signature to detect tempering.
This is an unhelpful interpretation. With a decent memory-safe parser, it’s perfectly safe [1] to deserialize JSON or (most of) XML [0] protobuf or Cap’n Proto or HTTP requests, etc. Or to query a database containing untrusted data. You need to be careful that you don’t introduce a vulnerability by doing something unwise with the deserialized result, but a good deserializer will safely produce a correctly typed output given any input, and the biggest risk is that the output is excessively large.
But tools like Pickle or Java deserialization or, most likely, rkyv_dyn will happily give you outputs that contain callables and that contain behavior, and the result is not safe to access. (In Python, it’s wildly unsafe to access, as merely reading a field of a Python object calls functions encoded by the class, and the class may be quite dynamic.)
[0] The world is full of infamously dangerous XML parsers. Don’t use them, especially if they’re written in C or C++ or they don’t promise that they will not access the network.
> The solution is to add a cryptographic signature to detect tempering.
If you don’t have a deserializer that works on untrusted input, how do you verify signatures. Also, do you really thing it’s okay to do “sh $cmd” just because you happen to have verified a signature.
> This is also called a man in the middle attack.
I suggest looking up what a man in the middle attack is.