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Centuries of selective breeding turned wild cabbage into different vegetables

121 pointsby bensouthwoodlast Wednesday at 4:07 PM47 commentsview on HN

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icegreentea2today at 1:02 PM

Because I love cabbage... the blog post shows "Gai lan" as an Asian example. There are so much more!

You are probably aware of napa cabbage, but there's also Taiwan Cabbage (goes by other names of course...) https://www.westcoastseeds.com/products/taiwan-cabbage

It looks a lot like a flatter "green/european" cabbage. It's leaves and stems are finer and softer than a European cabbage, while still being pretty crunchy (as opposed to napa). Compared to European cabbage, you could actually just stir fry these.

Gai lan is just one variety of "Chinese broccoli" - there are multiple varieties with different stem thicknesses, and "branching ratios". This will let you pick to suit your preferred level of crunch and leaf area to coat with sauce =)

And finally, all of the bok choys are also part of this family.

If you look, you can straight up find the half way points between subfamilies https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/080bca1a659bf2f8b12bca1494c67...

sebastiennighttoday at 5:13 AM

I already knew about this phylogenetic tree (although I have always heard the common ancestor be called the "wild mustard", not wild cabbage), but the article was quite interesting.

I only wish that as a PSA, they had included the reminder to people over 30 years old who hate Brussels sprouts, that the delicious ones you can eat today are not the ones they hated in their youth, and if you haven't had sprouts in years you might want to give them a second try (salted, oiled and baked, not boiled or steamed of course!)

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Sharlintoday at 9:21 AM

Not nearly as drastic as the cabbage case, but to me it’s also interesting that there are three ancestral, wild species of citrus fruit – mandarin, pomelo, and citron – and all the popular modern cultivars are hybrids of those three.

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mjdtoday at 1:02 PM

If you liked this, you will be delighted to learn about the “Triangle of U”: the common brassicas are not just tetraploid, they are Frankensteinian mashups of earlier diploid species with different numbers of chromosomes!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_of_U

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myself248today at 12:49 PM

For some reason, there was a whole series of brassica oleracea memes going around in 2020 (does that make it a meta-meme? or is that the meme itself, and the images are just instances of the meme?), and they're still wonderful.

Just image-search "brassica memes" at your favorite engine.

doodlebuggingtoday at 3:40 PM

This doesn't mention the one brassica that I hate more than any. Bastard cabbage. Like the other brassicas it is edible from flower/fruit to the root. Goes good in salads, etc. Unfortunately it is an invasive species here in Texas that quickly overwhelms native wildflowers. It appears along roads where work has been completed and rights-of-way reseeded using non-native grass mixes.

It is native to Africa and southern Europe I think but is invasive here in the US.

I first found some in my yard a couple of years after I bought a load of "topsoil" from a local materials provider. Not only was the product not a topsoil (it was river channel fine silt that is mostly clay-like particles with zero permeability and zero organic content) but the first thing to sprout on the pile of left-over soil was a tall plant with yellow flowers. There was a single plant that year. I had no idea what it was and asked one of my kids to ID it after it had already dried. Since it wasn't flowering stage when I asked they couldn't get a clear ID so i left it in place. That was a huge mistake. It produced uncounted quantities of small seeds that fell all around it and evidently birds loved it.

The second year saw it sprout up in a 10m radius around the original plant with isolated outliers. Again, I did not know what it was so I let it grow until summer (it is a late winter/early spring plant, one of the first to sprout) by which time it was obvious that this thing was gonna take over if I didn't do something. I sent a few more photos to my kid and this time I got the bad news - bastard cabbage.

With that info in hand I began implementing my eradication plan. I watered in all the plants that I could locate. It was summer and the ground is very dry and soil is hard here at home. With the soil nice and wet I pulled or dug every one of those bastards that I could find knowing that I would be doing the same thing again next year.

So far it has been several years of walking the property, pulling these bastard cabbages as I find them. So far this year I have less than a dozen plants but the season is young. I have found about half of those plants growing where previously I had never seen any and the others were growing in the original affected area.

Just like my years-long battle against St Augustine grass, stickers, goatheads, and Johnson grass I will win. I have eradicated those plants from my property though it took more than a decade to completely eliminate the Johnson grass.

Once I can identify the plant at each growth stage its days are numbered, sometimes with three or four digits, but I will win in the end.

rectangtoday at 4:18 PM

It's amazing that it only takes centuries. Under natural selection, species traits stay relatively stable for thousands or even millions of years.

I suppose that means natural selection tends to have more of a pronounced effect when there has been a severe environmental change that wipes out a large fraction of the population and leaves behind only those with adaptive mutations. Otherwise, the adaptive mutation stays in the population but doesn't proliferate excessively. Selective breeding can then be interpreted as an extreme version of environmental stress.

I had previously imagined that evolution was a slow process but it seems that its more of a punctuated equilibrium, where when changes occur they occur quickly.

(Caveat: not a biologist, just a layperson speculating and learning.)

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dsigntoday at 4:24 PM

Genes of the wild cabbage: "yah man, we will turn this leafy body into whatever you like. That you are going to eat it? We don't mind a bit, as long as you make more copies of us; that's all that matters."

nobodyandproudtoday at 4:46 PM

The canis lupis (or the better analogy canis familiaris?) of the plant world.

Though I’m struggling to think of a dish I actually enjoy from that plant group.

estebanktoday at 6:32 AM

Ah, yes. You can't throw a rock at produce without hitting a brassica oleracia.

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goodmythicallast Wednesday at 4:32 PM

Fun fact, peppers, petunias, datura, and tobacco are all in the same family: Solanaceae.

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Azrael3000today at 6:16 AM

When I read the title, I immediately though, I think this is going to be about Brussel sprouts etc. as I just saw a video [0] that mentions the same lineage. The video is part of the series about the evolution of the flagellum, which is really well made.

[0]: https://youtu.be/Frioffo53wo?t=1205

harpiaharpyjatoday at 2:00 PM

I knew it couldn't be coincidence that a green cabbage looks exactly like a giant brussel sprout.

locusofselftoday at 6:31 AM

I love these vegetables. Especially Broccolini and Brussel Sprouts. YUM

hollerithtoday at 6:41 AM

What I appreciate most about these vegetables is that they're much lower in that pesky oxalic acid than most vegetables in the human diet.

Razengantoday at 10:06 AM

Centuries of selective breeding would turn me into different vegetables too

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useftmlytoday at 12:31 PM

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