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ekr____yesterday at 7:53 PM1 replyview on HN

Fair enough on Multicast and HIP. I'm less sure about the case for PEM.

S-HTTP was a bigger failure in absolute terms (I should know!) but it was eventually published as Experimental and the IETF never really pushed it, so I don't think you could argue it was a bigger failure overall.


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tptacekyesterday at 7:59 PM

There really has been a 30+ year full-court press to make DNSSEC happen, including high-effort coordination with both operators and developers. I think the only comparable effort might be IPv6. But IPv6 is succeeding (slowly), and DNSSEC seems to have finally failed.

(I hate to IETFsplain anything to you so think of this as me baiting you into correcting me.)

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