alt Hacker NewsNode.js needs a virtual file system
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I'm not convinced that allowing Node to import "code generated at runtime" is actually a good thing. I think it should have to go through the hoops to get loaded, for security reasons.
I like the idea of it mocking the file system for tests, but I feel like that should probably be part of the test suite, not Node.
The example towards the end that stores data in a sqlite provider and then saves it as a JSON file is mind-boggling to me. Especially for a system that's supposed to be about not saving to the disk. Perhaps it's just a bad example, but I'm really trying to figure out how this isn't just adding complexity.
Using Claude for code you use yourself or at your own company internally is one thing, but when you start injecting it into widely-shared projects like this (or, the linux kernel, or Debian, etc) there will always be a lingering feeling of the project being tainted.
Just my opinion, probably not a popular one. But I will be avoiding an upgrade to Node.js after 24.14 for a while if this is becoming an acceptable precedent.
What's special about node.js here? Does golang, C#, python, ruby, java, etc... have a virtual file system?
I get it, I've implemented things for tests, I'm just wondering if this shouldn't be solved at an OS level.
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Let's put this another way, my code does effectively, child_process.spawn('something-that-reads-and-write-a-file')
now I'm back to the same issue. To test I need a virtual file system. Node providing one won't help.
Most of the 4 justifications mentioned sound like mitigations of otherwise bad design decisions. JavaScript in the browser went down this path for the longest time where new standards were introduced only to solve for stupid people instead of actually introducing new capabilities that were otherwise unachievable.
I do see some original benefits to a VFS though, bad application decisions aside, but they are exceedingly minor.
As an aside I think JavaScript would benefit from an in-memory database. This would be more of language enhancement than a Node.js enhancement. Imagine the extended application capabilities of an object/array store native to the language that takes queries using JS logic to return one or more objects/records. No SQL language and no third party databases for stuff that you don't want to keep in offline storage on a disk.
> no human wants to hand-write: implementing every fs method variant (sync, callback, promises), wiring up test coverage
That’s so dehumanizing, I would happily write such code.
Would be nice if node packages could be packed up in ZIP files so to avoid the security/metadata tax for small file access on Windows.
> I pointed the AI at the tedious parts, the stuff that makes a 14k-line PR possible but no human wants to hand-write: implementing every fs method variant (sync, callback, promises), wiring up test coverage, and generating docs.
This is the biggest takeaway for me for AI. It's not even that nobody wants to do these things, its that by the time you finish your tasks, you have no time to do these things, because your manage / scrum master / powers that be want you to work on the next task.
Why do people keep reinventing OS features?
There's Docker, OverlayFS, FUSE, ZFS or Btrfs snapshots?
Do you not trust your OS to do this correctly, or do you think you can do better?
A lot of this stuff existed 5, 10, 15 years ago...
Somehow there's been a trend for every effing program to grow and absorb the features and responsibilities of every other program.
Actually, I have a brilliant idea, what if we used nodejs, and added html display capabilities, and browser features? After all Cursor has already proven you can vibecode a browser, why not just do it?
I'm just tired at this point
You can’t import or require() a module
that only exists in memory.
It's not Node.js that needs a virtual file system. It's JavaScript.
Little bit saddened the sqlite provider doesn't use the SQLite archive format under the hood. Seems like it'd be a good fit for what they're trying to achieve + give you an easy way to create/extract the files out of the virtual file system.
The sqlar schema is missing some of the info thats being stored atm, but there's nothing stopping you from adding your own fields/tables on top of the format, if anything the docs encourage it. It is just a sqlite database at the end of the day.
yarn pnp is currently broken on Node v25.7+;
- https://github.com/yarnpkg/berry/issues/7065
- https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/62012
This is because yarn patches fs in order to introduce virtual file path resolution of modules in the yarn cache (which are zips), which is quite brittle and was broken by a seemingly unrelated change in 25.7.
The discussion in issue 62012 is notable - it was suggested yarn just wait for vfs to land. This is interesting to me in two ways: firstly, the node team seems quite happy for non-trivial amounts of the ecosystem to just be broken, and suggests relying on what I'm assuming will be an experimental API when it does land; secondly, it implies a lot of confidence that this feature will land before LTS.
The way I bundle into SEA is modules that need to be imported from disk (that can't be bundled due to node or wasm modules), is just include them in the assets, and do a "write to tmp, import, delete" flow. It works.
Not saying vfs is bad, just it's not impossible in a few lines of code to set up that. My idea for a simple version of a vfs in node is to use a RAM disk/RAMfs - would that work?
one of the reasons I prefer deno is the availability of indexeddb (and all the other great stuff that comes with it out of the box)
Yes, but no. Node itself merely needs a standardized, pluggable layer of indirection in its file APIs. If someone wants to implement a VFS using that, that's cool.
Basically an "fs-core" that everything ultimately goes through, and which can be switched out/layered with another implementation. Think express-style routing but for the filesystem.
That'll keep things simple in node's codebase while handing more power to users.
Yarn, pnpm, webpack all have solutions for this. Great to see this becoming a standard. I have a project that is severely handicapped due to FS. Running 13k tests takes 40 minutes where a virtual file system that Node would just work with it would cut the run time to 3 minutes. I experimented with some hacks and decided to stay with slow but native FS solution.
What I really want is a way of swapping FS with VFS in a Node.js program harness. Something like
node --use-vfs --vfs-cache=BIG_JSON_FILE
This brings back memories back in the days I mess around Resource Hacker for Win32 EXEs.
I miss those days where you can tweak all kinds of software GUI by your self. Change icons, menus, shortcut keys, etc.
I could see something like this being useful if it could be passed to workers to replace any fs access inside the worker.
How about trying to reduce dependencies? 11ty is going in correct direction, dropping significant chunk of various dependencies or replacing them with packages with no dependencies or using platform features, that becomes readily available.
How does electron do this with its packaged files? I suppose it does not work with module resolution?
I'm not convinced this needs to be in core Node, but being able to have serverless functions access a file system without providing storage would definitely have some use cases. Had some fun with video processing recently that this would be perfect for.
> You can’t import or require() a module that only exists in memory.
Sure you can. Function() exists and require.cache exists. This is _intentionally_ exploitable.
this is a pretty bad vfs. there are pure “cap manifest” approaches that don’t pull in decades of cruft semantics. don’t build systems that aren’t objectstore native in 2025 (since this work was initiated in december).
Can you dynamically load code via eval?
(I know, I know, it's ugly and has its own set of problems)
Don't all projects eventually grow to encompass service discovery?
I used Node.js extensively for about a decade, both professionally and as a hobby. I don't buy the problem statement.
These arguments don't even make sense, they look LLM generated. I can't even formulate a disagreement against this nonsense.
Why is this not a library what is this insanity??
Separate the valid critiques on other comments, Go's io.FS interface is really nice for making these sorts of things. Is there something like this in Node already? (with base implementations like host and in memory)
Is node::vfs the new solution for JupyterLite filesystems?
From https://github.com/jupyterlite/jupyterlite/issues/949#issuec... :
> Ideally, the virtual filesystem of JupyterLite would be shared with the one from the virtual terminal.
emscripten-core/emscripten > "New File System Implementation": https://github.com/emscripten-core/emscripten/issues/15041#i... :
> [ BrowserFS, isomorphic-git/lightningfs, ]
pyodide/pyodide: "Native file system API" #738: https://github.com/pyodide/pyodide/issues/738 re: [Chrome,] Filesystem API :
> jupyterlab-git [should work with the same VFS as Jupyter kernels and Terminals]
pyodide/pyodide: "ENH Add API for mounting native file system" #2987: https://github.com/pyodide/pyodide/pull/2987
>Let me be honest: a PR that size would normally take months of full-time work. This one happened because I built it with Claude Code.
The node.js codebase and standard library has a very high standard of quality, hope that doesn't get washed out by sloppy AI-generated code.
OTOH, Matteo is an excellent engineer and the community owes a lot to him. So I guess the code is solid :).
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The Node team has lost the plot IMO.
By far the most critical issue is the over reliance on third party NPM packages for even fundamental needs like connecting to a database.
Are people still building new projects on Node.js? I would have thought the ecosystem was moving to deno or bun now
Taking the question of whether this would be a useful addition to Node.js core or aside, it must be noted that this 19k LoC PR was mostly generated by Claude Code and manually reviewed by the submitter which in my opinion is against the spirit of the project and directly violates the terms of Developer's Certificate of Origin set in the project's CONTRIBUTING.md