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> I don't get it. LLMs are supposed to have 100% bridged this gap from "normie" to "DIY website." What's missing?

This is an all too common thought process among technologists, so:

Where to even start? Well, let's start that every single "AI" company is massively overhyping everything to try to avoid any unfortunate realizations about the emperor's clothes regarding their CapEx and finances. Yes, even your favorite one.

The very short version: running a small business like a restaraunt takes all your resources and then 20% more. Long hours, hard work, all your time. You do not have 2 hours to learn about LLMs or to pick which company to pay. From there:

* Most people don't know what they want

* Most people don't know the words for what they want

* Even if you say "I want a website", what do you want it do look like? To say? These people aren't experts in web UX nor should they be.

* You have some HTML and images. Where do they go now? Again people literally don't know what they want or need. If you realize you need a "web host", how do you pick a trustworthy one? How do you know if it's a good price? How do you get a domain name? How do you get the files onto the server?

* Do you want people to be able to buy things? Now you're taking payment methods and have security concerns.

* Your site is live. You want to change something on it. How do you do that? Where are the original files? How do you change them? How do you get the changes on the server?

It's not "Hey, write me a website". There are lots of steps that assume a lot of knowledge, and it is easier, faster, and better for people to focus on their expertise and just pay some service for their web shop.


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ehntotoday at 8:02 AM

I often turn to the saying "Rich people don't talk to robots". Time poor people want things done for them not by them. The agency of action needs to be delegated.

Just because Flight Centre can automatically line up your flights for you, doesn't mean they want to. Time poor people still don't have time to go through that nor do they want to. They ask their assistant to do it, their assistant knows them well and fills in all the knowledge gaps.

Even in the age of AI chat assistants, I don't see a time poor person bothering to go through the process of building a website with a chat interface. There's too much knowledge asymmetry that needs to be closed and that's time cost again. Still much easier to ask a team member to do it.

Their assistant might have reached out to a digital agency in the past, maybe now they don't thanks to AI.

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chrysopracetoday at 10:28 AM

To add onto this, I used to frequent a cafe near my old work and had quite a good rapport with the owner. One day I was going for lunch and wanted to check their menu, pick something new and then go order. When I went and ordered it she said she they no longer serve that and couldn't get onto the developer to change their menu on the site. They were a couple working 7 days a week, only taking public holidays off, so it was easily the least of their concerns.

janalsncmtoday at 5:29 AM

Yeah, setting up a website is a pain.

But in reality there’s only a handful of things people care about for your restaurant: what, when, and where. Put up your menu, put up your hours, and put up your location. And a phone number.

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calepaysontoday at 4:25 PM

My partner is an outdoor ed teacher at a no-screens school. I tried to teach her to code a few months back and it was hilarious. We started with "First download VS Code". We never made it to another step.

I had a similar experience showing her Skyrim. She never quite figured out how to walk and look at the same time. Made for an absolute berserker of a barbarian.

In any field, when you're surrounded by competent people, you'll begin to take that baseline competence for granted. I think especially so in ours due to virtual forums. I can work with my peers all day, go home, and talk with more online. It's enlightening to walk a curious outsider through your day (and probably also a great test of the systems you have in place).

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oflannabhratoday at 2:57 PM

I know a twelve year old kid who is proactively using LLMs to build websites for lawn-mowing businesses, calling them up, asking them if they want it for $200, and closing deals in seconds.

I know it sounds far-fetched, but he does all the work up-front before even contacting them, using logos and info from Facebook or Google. He's cleared several thousand dollars so far.

I get that the owners aren't going to be the proactive ones who have the awareness, time, or vision for doing this, all your points are valid. However, AI has definitely changed the calculus here--I'm glad I'm not a web dev anymore.

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thwartedtoday at 4:33 PM

I read comments such as:

>> I don't get it. LLMs are supposed to have 100% bridged this gap from "normie" to "DIY website." What's missing?

as less sincere and more facetious, calling out that every single "AI" company is massively overhyping their capabilities and use-cases. You did the same thing in a more detailed fashion, enumerating all the constraints that AI can't address, and others that speak to the reasons that small businesses don't have websites independently of the tooling/services that are ostensibly able too make it easier or remove barriers.

alnwlsntoday at 1:41 PM

I saw a meme one time that went something like this:

"AI is so cool, I asked ChatGPT to combine a card game with a flight simulator and it did it!"

"Yeah, that is pretty cool I guess."

"My question for you is, what do I do with the code it gave me?"

"What?"

"Where do I put the code to make a game?"

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braptoday at 9:05 AM

Doesn’t something like Wix take care of all of this?

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brycewraytoday at 4:50 PM

Reminds me a little of something I wrote once:

https://www.brycewray.com/posts/2021/01/easy-peasy/

tmtvltoday at 2:34 PM

The way to get a website for your small restaurant used to be having Jim's nephew make one for you and you'd give him a pizza and a six pack as payment for setting it up.

kelvinjps10today at 3:31 PM

There is now platforms that make it as easy as social media sites. wordpress shopify etc

happyraultoday at 10:17 AM

I accept that as a software developer, I have a myopic view on it, but it doesn't have to be hard.

- Get a domain name

- Get a VPS with an nginx image pre-installed

- Write a plain text file with the info you want shown (hours, contact info, etc...)

Yeah it's not sexy, but it's a start and it can be changed when time and interest allows.

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lentil_souptoday at 8:30 AM

I miss Geocities so much. It was so simple, open an account, drag some files and done you have a website. What happened? Why is it so hard to have a static website now?

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Mercuriusdreamtoday at 11:18 AM

I miss those cheap something-middle-in-webhosts-and-microblogs hosts

cucumber3732842today at 10:49 AM

Part of the problem is that there's no accepted standards for the minimum website worth making. This is very much a fault of the "website people" because they don't want to sell you a five page static site with the most complex feature being a php script that runs a couple for loops to put formatting around images and text.

Other than basic description and contact info that's all 99% of small businesses need (as evidenced by the fact that they use social media in exactly that way)

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hoppptoday at 7:07 AM

I prompted claude and it wrote me a pretty good landingpage. Thats all I needed and its never been more easy to have that html file. The hard thing for users is to host it and configure DNS, but that is free with cloudflare, just need to buy a domain name.

But even buying a domain name can be too much for some people as facebook is "free"

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techpressiontoday at 8:07 AM

Thank you for the much needed refresher on what running a business actually entails for many.

ToucanLoucantoday at 1:59 PM

I'm trying to be the change I want to see in the world by offering IT services in my local area, and I'm getting a good amount of traction. Might need to take on a second person soon. Turns out small business owners especially have a lot on their plate, and if you're tired of their WiFi sucking ass, odds are, they are too, and if you offer to fix it for a reasonable price, they'll pay you.

Hell I unfucked a local place's WiFi for the cost of a free meal for my wife and I because I couldn't browse Imgur whilst eating lol

ThrowawayTestrtoday at 6:20 AM

Squarespace made a business simplifying all that. It's expensive but there are templates and it had a WYSIWYG editor.

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pigeonstoday at 5:58 AM

And security

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squirrelloustoday at 5:14 AM

Sounds like what we need is Facebook pages, except as a free service from the government or non-profit.

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